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What score would you give Joker

10 17 26.98%
 
9 16 25.40%
 
8 5 7.94%
 
7 3 4.76%
 
6 5 7.94%
 
5 0 0.00%
 
4 1 1.59%
 
3 or below 1 1.59%
 
haven't watched it 14 22.22%
 
won't watch it 1 1.59%
 
Total:63
d21lewis said:
Reminds me of an old Robin Williams movie called "Jakob the Liar" where Robin Williams lies to the Jews in a Nazi ghetto to give them good news and hope so that they would quit committing suicide.

Yes, it's a cheerful movie.

Anyway, at the end, Robin Williams is killed. The rest of the Jews are sent to a concentration camp to die. Then, the narrator (Robin Williams) tells us that, on the way to the camp, the Jews were saved by the Allied forces.

BUT I personally think that the narrator was a liar and he lied to the audience just like he lied to everyone else to keep them/us happy--though I couldn't find anything to support my point of view online.

I feel that Joker lied so much that the movie really is what you want to to be. I'm not even sure if those three guys even attacked him in the Subway or if that's just a lie he told himself to make himself the hero of his own story. I definitely want to watch this again, as soon as possible!

My take on the fake/real stuff (so far) is that everything in the first part of the movie is real, but once his social worker says that he can't get meds anymore...that is when everything gets called into question.  But I need to go back and watch the movie to remember what happened before and what happened after that scene.

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 09 October 2019

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The_Liquid_Laser said:
d21lewis said:
Reminds me of an old Robin Williams movie called "Jakob the Liar" where Robin Williams lies to the Jews in a Nazi ghetto to give them good news and hope so that they would quit committing suicide.

Yes, it's a cheerful movie.

Anyway, at the end, Robin Williams is killed. The rest of the Jews are sent to a concentration camp to die. Then, the narrator (Robin Williams) tells us that, on the way to the camp, the Jews were saved by the Allied forces.

BUT I personally think that the narrator was a liar and he lied to the audience just like he lied to everyone else to keep them/us happy--though I couldn't find anything to support my point of view online.

I feel that Joker lied so much that the movie really is what you want to to be. I'm not even sure if those three guys even attacked him in the Subway or if that's just a lie he told himself to make himself the hero of his own story. I definitely want to watch this again, as soon as possible!

My take on the fake/real stuff (so far) is that everything in the first part of the movie is real, but once his social worker says that he can't get meds anymore...that is when everything gets called into question.  But I need to go back and watch the movie to remember what happened before and what happened after that scene.

I considered that, too. Like you, I'm gonna have to watch it again. I think he imagined dating that lady before he got off of his medicine but I can't remember for sure--and we how that went.



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Thought it was good. Just good, not great not poor, solid 7/10. Some of the story aspects are well put together, his obvious mental breakdown, the idea that you don't really know what his origin is.

Spoiler!
Doesn't matter what people said as things can be faked, Thomas Wayne did have an affair, that affair resulted in a child, to make it look like it's not his they faked adoption papers for example. Joker's mum was crazy because of the whole incident, not sure why adoption papers would be in her medical records however, that's weird.

Also, big issue of Batman continuity although it's obviously outside of the main mythos. That being 

Spoiler!
Joker is meant to be an unknown, you don't need to know who the Joker is as it doesn't matter, what matters is what he is now. However, all of the goings on in this have records. He was invited by name to the studio before he admits to anything, he was wanted by police in connection to the 3 killings which started a mass riot, all that. So in the future when Batman is about fighting this madman and wondering who he is,this man called The Joker, Batman would easily find not only the records of Arthur but records of all connections to his mother and no doubt her connection to his dad.

Last edited by The Fury - on 10 October 2019

Hmm, pie.

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PAOerfulone said:

Click on the "Rich Text Reply" option or just simply Edit your post and you'll see two eyeballs on the tab above the text box. Click on the one with the line across it to put a spoiler box and then just type your spoiler in the box.

I found it, the new forum editor confused me. :)



Hmm, pie.

Saw it a few hours ago and it's a solid movie. I didn't think it was that great but there were a lot of great shot and the storytelling was great too. I give it a 7.



Phoenix's performance is the only significant point of praise for me, elevating the film above just middling. It's too bad such a great performance was largely squandered on bland material.
Killing Joke's (possible) origin for Joker was so much more interesting, taking a humdrum little man and unleashing a series of tragedies upon him in a short span of time. This film makes Fleck a constant source of abuse from virtually all aspects of society, even giving him a handicapped mental state to begin with.

De Niro continues to phone it in, even in what everybody knew would be a big movie. It's difficult to distinguish between his performances in cinema and something like Saturday Night Live, which is just so sad a thing considering he's given cinema some of its all-time best performances.

Spoiler!

The Sophie twist was predictable. When I saw the first trailer, I assumed she would be revealed as imaginary, which was damn close to the film's revelation.

Having Thomas Wayne possibly be Arthur's father is just silly, as well as pushing a meeting between Arthur and a young Bruce Wayne.

Will people be as annoyed about Joker (this time, inadvertently) getting the Waynes killed in this as they were about Napier murdering them in Burton's film? It was so unnecessary, and a ridiculously forced tie-in to the larger Batman mythos.

I keep reading praise from people who claim that this is some kind of 'deep psychological study of a disturbed man' or some such. But it's really not. Joker is one of the most evil and enigmatic fictional characters. What this film does is give him an extremely boring backstory:
Poor man is victimized by society until he decides to fight back, only he takes it too far. That sounds like the delusions of most spree killers, which are really not that interesting at all.

Hopefully Phoenix maintains recognition for seemingly giving his all when most simply cash in on brand name properties. But I have a hard time imagining people dissecting this movie for years to come as they would if it were as good as the hype.



I enjoy good acting and since this is centered around an amazing actor i would love to see it.



Immersiveunreality said:
I enjoy good acting and since this is centered around an amazing actor i would love to see it.

Hopefully you've been able to avoid spoilers and you're okay with a slower pace. If so, I think you're in for a treat. Phoenix was acting his ass off! 



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