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Nobody is forced to buy microtransactions. People are just dump and buy anyways. The regulation of capitalism just resulted in the biggest failure of mankind: Central banks, that print money to save zombie companies like general motors, which should be dead along with dozens of companies who died in 2008. And they were saved at the cost of savers and taxpayers.

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thismeintiel said:

We already have a body governing them, us gamers. Whenever someone wants to pull a bullshit move, like MS's DRM fiasco, we rise up with our voices and, more importantly, our wallets.

To be fair, gamers far too often DON'T vote with their wallets, or at least not nearly enough to make a difference. Look at all the bullshit Activi$ion pulls year in and year out with CoD, last year with BO4 being a prime example. They locked all DLC behind a season pass that you could initially only get with a $100 SE with day 1 content and less content than previous passes, threw in an awful tiered battle pass system and rendered all physical editions of the game obsolete with a 50 GB day 1 patch and still managed to sell over 14m copies, and what did they do? They started selling reticles, throttling XP and snuck in loot boxes post-launch. All because people LET them get away with their bullshit.

And now, we have Acti locking PC and XB1 players out of an entire game mode for an entire year (basically the game's whole life span) and throwing in P2W loot boxes containing weapons. You could argue people NOT voting with their wallets caused Acti to get too far ahead of themselves. Activi$ion does this shit because they know Bobby Kotick could literally be caught shooting a guy on tape and they'd still sell tens of millions of copies. And the sad part is, people know what they have to do to get them to stop, yet they refuse to do it.

BFV even after all its controversy and their then-EVP telling people not to buy the game still managed to sell over 7m copies.

Mass Effect: Andromeda, or should I say, Mess Effect: Andromeda still sold 2.5m copies even after hiring a racist shitbird to work on the game and a beta full of glitches.

NBA 2K18 has the worst P2W progression/MTXs system I've ever seen, yet it still sold over 10m copies.

I can list more, but I believe my point is clear.



The only thing regulations did was moving the entire manufacturing industries, which was the strenght of the US economy in the 1950s-1980s, from america to China. And tariffs won't make the industry come back, only deregulation and cuts in government spending would.

If you don't like mts, do like me and don't buy them. I play OW, Apex, PUBG among others and never bought a single shit via mt. The only entity that can force you to do anything via violence is the government, without giving a shit whether you want it or not. Private companies can't force you to buy anything.

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A little extreme here, but the underlying lesson remains the same.



Again. It is a non issue. Nobody put a gun in their heads and forced them to buy skins in a game. They do it because they want. How people spend their own money is not my concern.

What's next? Let's ban soda and alcohol because there are people spending too much money and getting sick by drinking too much soda and getting diabetic and too much alcohol.

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LuccaCardoso1 said:
DonFerrari said:

I wouldn't even need to read what you write to say failures come from government "regulating" capitalism.

Please explain how LESS regulation would make:

- Corporations respect more their workforce and have smaller payment gaps between CEOs and workers;

Brazil have one of the most protective workers law, 90% of lawsuits from worker-company relationship and like 10x or more unions. Yet the employees in USA receive much higher wages, have a better working environment, etc. That comes from technology development not from law making.

- Corporations stop evading taxes;

If you don't have shit laws you won't have legal tax evasion. Tax evasion is a crime, if you can pay 0 taxes under the law then you aren't evading any taxes.

- Corporations stop exploiting addictive tendencies and psychologically manipulating players, including children, to give them more money.

Let's ban ads as well, let's stop selling what people want to purchase. You want your father to take care of you until you are 80 or do you plan to start being your own man?

DonFerrari said:

After reading your OP I can confirm I totally disagree of your premisses, at most I can agree that corporations only look at profit and that is exactly what they have to look at.

I'd love to know what premises you disagree with.

Subtract the "companies are in for profit" which is what I agree, and I disagree with your other points.

haxxiy said:
DonFerrari said:

I wouldn't even need to read what you write to say failures come from government "regulating" capitalism.

After reading your OP I can confirm I totally disagree of your premisses, at most I can agree that corporations only look at profit and that is exactly what they have to look at.

That's the sort of top-notch, thoughtful discussion I visit VGC for.

"None, you're wrong, I win, bye bye."

To elaborate: imagine being near 2020 and you still believe consumers are enlightened choosers who always make rational choices while corporations are dumb constructs who will never opt for swindling or band together for mutual benefit in detrimental ways to the market.

I rather have customers being dumb by their ownselves than "bright politicians" deciding what I can or shall do with my money.

But please tell me why should I prepare a very well put answer to a poorly though OP? One that basically wants the government to "solve problems" that more likely then not they create or will make worse with their laws.

Do you really think the world got better from the 18 century to today based on laws instead of capitalism?

Or ignore all evidence that the world saw its greatest years, in terms of productivity, per capita growth etc. during the Keynesian politics of the 1930s - 1970s, later for certain places in Europe and Asia but following the same guidelines.

KManX89 said:
thismeintiel said:

We already have a body governing them, us gamers. Whenever someone wants to pull a bullshit move, like MS's DRM fiasco, we rise up with our voices and, more importantly, our wallets.

To be fair, gamers far too often DON'T vote with their wallets, or at least not nearly enough to make a difference. Look at all the bullshit Activi$ion pulls year in and year out with CoD, last year with BO4 being a prime example. They locked all DLC behind a season pass that you could initially only get with a $100 SE with day 1 content and less content than previous passes, threw in an awful tiered battle pass system and rendered all physical editions of the game obsolete with a 50 GB day 1 patch and still managed to sell over 14m copies, and what did they do? They started selling reticles, throttling XP and snuck in loot boxes post-launch. All because people LET them get away with their bullshit.

And now, we have Acti locking PC and XB1 players out of an entire game mode for an entire year (basically the game's whole life span) and throwing in P2W loot boxes containing weapons. You could argue people NOT voting with their wallets caused Acti to get too far ahead of themselves. Activi$ion does this shit because they know Bobby Kotick could literally be caught shooting a guy on tape and they'd still sell tens of millions of copies. And the sad part is, people know what they have to do to get them to stop, yet they refuse to do it.

BFV even after all its controversy and their then-EVP telling people not to buy the game still managed to sell over 7m copies.

Mass Effect: Andromeda, or should I say, Mess Effect: Andromeda still sold 2.5m copies even after hiring a racist shitbird to work on the game and a beta full of glitches.

NBA 2K18 has the worst P2W progression/MTXs system I've ever seen, yet it still sold over 10m copies.

I can list more, but I believe my point is clear.

If customers don't vote with their wallets is because they don't care enough, so why should government get involved? Just so this doesn't get made to please yourself and everyone else that think customers are dumb and need government to take care for the ones that aren't as bright as people in this forum that bad mouth them?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

I just don't want the government to control the means of video game production. If that happens we will just be playing old video games.

A couple things though...

Much of our taxes are wasted and whether or not its used for good if debateable.

IF COMPANIES AVOID PAYING TAXES LEGALLY THAN ITS NOT TAX EVASION. The problem isn't capitalism, instead its the laws. If you want to attack Rockstar for not paying taxes, you also have to consider employees pay a fortune in taxes. Always try to remember NYC, a city run by people bordering socialism, was going to give Amazon huge tax breaks for their HQ because the amount in payroll taxes was significantly bigger. Hence, when people say big companies pay no taxes its misleading in the sense that cities do generate tax revenue from those companies and why they desire them.

Why are we trying to legalize/decriminalize drug charges, when they objectively destroy lives and communities. Yet when it comes to microtransactions people are suddenly concerned about a relatively harmless addiction? Are communities crumbling and people dying over them? Its stupid. People who are bad with money are just bad with money.

Most people in the gaming industry are obviously left leaning and politics do enter games because of that. The left is like Islam, everything they touch has their dogma injected.



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Mr Puggsly said:

I just don't want the government to control the means of video game production. If that happens we will just be playing old video games.

A couple things though...

Much of our taxes are wasted and whether or not its used for good if debateable.

IF COMPANIES AVOID PAYING TAXES LEGALLY THAN ITS NOT TAX EVASION. The problem isn't capitalism, instead its the laws. If you want to attack Rockstar for not paying taxes, you also have to consider employees pay a fortune in taxes. Always try to remember NYC, a city run by people bordering socialism, was going to give Amazon huge tax breaks for their HQ because the amount in payroll taxes was significantly bigger. Hence, when people say big companies pay no taxes its misleading in the sense that cities do generate tax revenue from those companies and why they desire them.

Why are we trying to legalize/decriminalize drug charges, when they objectively destroy lives and communities. Yet when it comes to microtransactions people are suddenly concerned about a relatively harmless addiction? Are communities crumbling and people dying over them? Its stupid. People who are bad with money are just bad with money.

Most people in the gaming industry are obviously left leaning and politics do enter games because of that. The left is like Islam, everything they touch has their dogma injected.

Apparently for the "all inside the state" folks MTX is more dangerous to people than cocaine abuse.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

You call these policies "anti-left" but most of these policies are left leaning (neoliberal) policies like open borders (outsourcing jobs and importing low cost H-1B workers) and "workforce diversity" aka the inability to unify with cohesive actions or unions.



Capitalism isn't really a problem for the most part if the masses are well educated.

In politics today, one side tends to favor supplying everybody with everything, and the other wants them to earn it through the free market one way or another. Since schools are doing such a terrible job, quite a few of the free marketers are now trying to teach people critical thinking so they can organize or stand up for themselves or flat out move forward and actually progress with their lives.