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zero129 said:
Hiku said:

First of all, it's not my duty to search through the forums in order to back up someone else's claim. That's their duty. Especially when it's done for the sake of starting trouble. Which inevitably makes it our job when people report it, or start arguing because of it.

Secondly, I said "when I press someone on the origin of these type of comments". So it has nothing to do with 'not looking hard enough'. 
They either could not provide a link to the comment. Or the person did not say what they claimed. One time, someone gave me a link to a comment that not only did not say what they claimed, but was also posted days later. So unless they have a time machine, that could not be the comment they were referring to anyway.

Thirdly, someone can supposedly defend Sony's excuse without saying it would "ruin online gaming on Playstation".
You can also be indifferent to, or against cross play without making that claim. So unless whatever tune you're referring to is making that claim, it's not interesting in this context.

And lastly, you're essentially doing what I said not to do. Specifying a group (moderators) in a negative light, without concrete examples. Again, it is not our duty to look for posts in order to backup someone else's claim. We do however try to prevent unnecessary problems stemming from negative generalizations. Especially if they're inaccurate to begin with.
And then you told @think-man "You shouldn't be so narrow-minded for a mod."

None of that is constructive criticism. And even if it were, this thread is not the place for that anyway.

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I never attacked anyone but Think-Man does have a problem with PC as a platform, and also as a mod should he post such a thing as "Just not with PC" without giving some kind of reason as to why?. So what do you say to something like that?. you know what I think ill report that post as "Attacking the PC platform and its user base for wanting to exclude us from cross-play without giving some kind of reason. Let's see if he gets a warning or another mod tells him off. And also (Like another user has pointed out)if this site had a better way of searching, backing up such points would be easy. But its also very easy to say "I never seen such a thing" when a mod knows well the is no real way for the user to search for it.

"Some critiquing is okay (such as suggestions for site databases/fixes), but that's the extent of it."

Your subjects were outside that scope, and critiquing involves suggestions for improvements, and analyzing, etc.

If you want to call someone out, but cannot remember who it was, the alternative is not to group a bunch of people together. Unless there's a very clear consensus.

Too many times I find that not only were they referring to someone from another site, who will not read this comment, while Sony/MS/Nintendo fans here will. But even if they were referring to someone here, it can be a misunderstanding. Or they remembered wrong. (And Pugs even said in his post that he couldn't quite remember.) That's unnecessary time wasted for the staff that have to go through the reports that inevitably stem from those unnecessary arguments. Which can be better spent investigating actually necessary inquiries.
And if someone here made those comments, then specify/tag them. No need to group other people in with them.

I can't do anything about the search function, but when Talon comes back you can ask him about it. Though one suggestion I have is to bookmark noteworthy posts/threads you see, if you're interested in potentially calling people out.

And yes, if you have any issues with moderators, just report them.

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zero129 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Not being able to play online with people on another system has been industry standard since the days of the Dreamcast. People that complain about lack of crossplay in a game are the same people that think console exclusives are evil. They are the same people that desperately want Stadia to take off.

Umm no... I love the idea of cross play, i love the idea of no exclusives. I hate the idea of stadia.....

Then you can just stick to PC.  No need to barge in in console discussion 



If true, i think its quite a corinsedents its announced not long after the CEO retires.

Also i am glad to see this anti consumer practice disappear. Well hoping so anyway.

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Azzanation said:

If true, i think its quite a corinsedents its announced not long after the CEO retires.

Also i am glad to see this anti consumer practice disappear. Well hoping so anyway.

Exactly, and with Sony now allowing some of their biggest PS4 games to be playable on PC with PSNow I imagine its only a matter of time before they will allow their games to be played native and such things as full-on exclusives will be gone. It is about time gaming came out of the dark ages of such anti-consumer practices.



Off the top of my head, crossplay with PC is nothing new. Dreamcast had it with Quake 3. Xbox 360 had it with Shadowgate. PS3 had it with Final Fantasy Something.

I'm just glad to see it finally happening between consoles and hopefully the floodgates will open for the feature between Sony and Microsoft.



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zero129 said:
Azzanation said:

If true, i think its quite a corinsedents its announced not long after the CEO retires.

Also i am glad to see this anti consumer practice disappear. Well hoping so anyway.

Exactly, and with Sony now allowing some of their biggest PS4 games to be playable on PC with PSNow I imagine its only a matter of time before they will allow their games to be played native and such things as full-on exclusives will be gone. It is about time gaming came out of the dark ages of such anti-consumer practices.

THIS! I always hated that you could watch any TV show on any brand of TV, you could listen to music on any CD/MP3 player, you could watch a movie on any DVD/Blu Ray player, but with video games you had to have specific brands. It holds gaming back.



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melbye said:
March 2020.

zero129 said:
Azzanation said:

If true, i think its quite a corinsedents its announced not long after the CEO retires.

Also i am glad to see this anti consumer practice disappear. Well hoping so anyway.

Exactly, and with Sony now allowing some of their biggest PS4 games to be playable on PC with PSNow I imagine its only a matter of time before they will allow their games to be played native and such things as full-on exclusives will be gone. It is about time gaming came out of the dark ages of such anti-consumer practices.

Sony's exclusives are only as good as they are, because they are made to sell consoles. Same goes for Nintendo. If you want to know how quality drops once a console maker stops making games exclusive just look at Microsoft. Gears 5 is MTX ridden. Forza is the Madden of racing games. The last Halo didn't even have Master Chief in it, and it also had MTX in multiplayer. 

4K/30 on the Pro is tantamount to 1440/60 on a PC, so IMO all Sony really needs to do is give people the option of lowering the resolution to up the FPS. Hopefully that's a feature on PS5 where you can choose between 4K/60 and 8K/30. And if that kind of resolution/frames isn't possible on PS5, then they can release a Pro model in 2023 that can handle it. 

Personally, I'd love for Sony to just produce a $100 "Playstation Player" disc tray that allowed you to play your PS games on PC. That way you could have physical games, and the ability to run them how you want, without any oppressive PC style DRM attached. It really would be the best of both worlds. 

P.S. Your views on exclusives being anti-consumer are in the extreme minority. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=239874&page=1



The sentence below is false. 
The sentence above is true. 

That poll doesnt tell us shit:
Vgc users arent the average consumer, they tend to be fanboys thus actually approving/not minding malicious actions



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Cerebralbore101 said:
melbye said:
March 2020.

zero129 said:

Exactly, and with Sony now allowing some of their biggest PS4 games to be playable on PC with PSNow I imagine its only a matter of time before they will allow their games to be played native and such things as full-on exclusives will be gone. It is about time gaming came out of the dark ages of such anti-consumer practices.

Sony's exclusives are only as good as they are, because they are made to sell consoles. Same goes for Nintendo. If you want to know how quality drops once a console maker stops making games exclusive just look at Microsoft. Gears 5 is MTX ridden. Forza is the Madden of racing games. The last Halo didn't even have Master Chief in it, and it also had MTX in multiplayer. 

4K/30 on the Pro is tantamount to 1440/60 on a PC, so IMO all Sony really needs to do is give people the option of lowering the resolution to up the FPS. Hopefully that's a feature on PS5 where you can choose between 4K/60 and 8K/30. And if that kind of resolution/frames isn't possible on PS5, then they can release a Pro model in 2023 that can handle it. 

Personally, I'd love for Sony to just produce a $100 "Playstation Player" disc tray that allowed you to play your PS games on PC. That way you could have physical games, and the ability to run them how you want, without any oppressive PC style DRM attached. It really would be the best of both worlds. 

P.S. Your views on exclusives being anti-consumer are in the extreme minority. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=239874&page=1

I think even on PS5 4k60fps would be unlikely. But sure offer the option to FullHD, 1440p and 4k as res, texture level and some other easy to distingish options and the system shall show you the FPS that the game will hold and you can accept or tweak a little more.

I would always look for the best IQ I can have on 4k30fps.



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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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kirby007 said:
That poll doesnt tell us shit:
Vgc users arent the average consumer, they tend to be fanboys thus actually approving/not minding malicious actions

The average user buy MPs, don't care to most of the exclusives, so if you were doing it in the real world you see even less people caring about "platform freedom".



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994