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That's very upsetting news. Superstar Saga and Bowser's Inside Story were an absolute blast to play through. So many memories.

When they announced the remakes for the 3DS, I was a little skeptical if how they'd do. After all, the look of the Superstar Saga remake seemed to erase a lot of the charm from the GBA original, not to mention how late in the 3DS lifecycle it was. I really hope that those remakes weren't their downfall.



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JRPGfan said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
There was a serious drop in quality of their games over the years. Bowser's Inside Story was their best work, but then Dream Team and Paper Jam both dropped so hard in reviews. Dream Team was 81 in reviews, which is still a must buy game, but a hard drop off from the 90 that was BIS. Then Paper Jam came out and got 76 in reviews. I didn't even buy Paper Jam, because it looked like they were emphasizing the non-RPG aspects of it too much.

Mario RPGs have been all going downhill lately though. SMRPG hasn't had a sequel ever. Paper Mario series left its RPG roots ages ago. Sticker Star, and Color Splash hardly resemble the N64 and GC classics.

I picked up the Superstar Saga and BIS remakes though.

^ that.

Seriously SE + Nintendo should work together to do a SMRPG 2.
Also They need to throw Sticker Star + Color Splash formula into a trash can, and go back to TTYD style of Paper Mario.

Mario & luigi series was okay,... but amongst fans it wasnt ever as big as SMRPG or TTYD.

Nintendo should listen to what fans want, and give it to them :P
So TTYD 2,  and Mario Galaxy 3......

(this almost belongs to one of those "what would you do if you where president of Nintendo" threads)

That's not even true. The Mario & Luigi series sold better than both Mario RPG or the Paper Mario RPG series did. Paper Mario only increased in sales once it stopped doing the RPG elements.

Saying it "wasn't ever as big" is disingenuous. What you actually mean is that you and a certain group of fans want it to be like it used to be, but it's clear that the majority are showing Nintendo that isn't the case. I get that sucks for people who liked the original two Paper Mario RPG, but sales tell the story.



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RetroGamer94 said:
Mar1217 said:
Ooof, the series has always been consistently good amongst even it's lowest entries (Partners in Time, Paper Jam) in the series, not exempt of defaults sure but some of you are seriously tripping man xD

Dude, partners in time was the best of the series!! How can you speak these words!!

Sad news but I hope the series continues in some fashion, I actually think the last couple were far to hand holdy and got very bogged down. They fet like they had a lot of filler content 

1. Bowser's Inside Story

2. Original

3. Dream Team

4. Paper Jam

5. Partners in Time

I too liked PiT the least.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
Sucks that people are losing jobs, but I'ma be honest here. They haven't made a game that interest me in years, and I used to love the M&L games. Hindsight is 20/20, but even back before they released I was ridiculing them for releasing remakes to games only 1 gen old on a dying system. Apparently the series also being a Mario RPG is what made Nintendo decide to change Paper Mario for the worst. Now that M&L is gone, perhaps there's hope for Paper Mario again.

I want M&L AND Paper Mario. But if the only way to get a proper Paper Mario TTYD sequel is to end M&L then so be it.



Majin-Tenshinhan said:
JRPGfan said:

^ that.

Seriously SE + Nintendo should work together to do a SMRPG 2.
Also They need to throw Sticker Star + Color Splash formula into a trash can, and go back to TTYD style of Paper Mario.

Mario & luigi series was okay,... but amongst fans it wasnt ever as big as SMRPG or TTYD.

Nintendo should listen to what fans want, and give it to them :P
So TTYD 2,  and Mario Galaxy 3......

(this almost belongs to one of those "what would you do if you where president of Nintendo" threads)

That's not even true. The Mario & Luigi series sold better than both Mario RPG or the Paper Mario RPG series did. Paper Mario only increased in sales once it stopped doing the RPG elements.

Saying it "wasn't ever as big" is disingenuous. What you actually mean is that you and a certain group of fans want it to be like it used to be, but it's clear that the majority are showing Nintendo that isn't the case. I get that sucks for people who liked the original two Paper Mario RPG, but sales tell the story.

What? Paper Mario released on N64, a modest system. TTYD released on GameCube, which had horrible hardware sales. Super released on Wii and SS released on 3ds, both of which had a lot more hardware sales. Color Splash, which also didn't sell well, released on another bad home console in terms of sales. They are impacted by hardware sales. I'm fairly certain that if they made direct sequels to TTYD then each of those games would have sold more than Super, Sticker Star, or Color Splash on their systems.



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Dulfite said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:

That's not even true. The Mario & Luigi series sold better than both Mario RPG or the Paper Mario RPG series did. Paper Mario only increased in sales once it stopped doing the RPG elements.

Saying it "wasn't ever as big" is disingenuous. What you actually mean is that you and a certain group of fans want it to be like it used to be, but it's clear that the majority are showing Nintendo that isn't the case. I get that sucks for people who liked the original two Paper Mario RPG, but sales tell the story.

What? Paper Mario released on N64, a modest system. TTYD released on GameCube, which had horrible hardware sales. Super released on Wii and SS released on 3ds, both of which had a lot more hardware sales. Color Splash, which also didn't sell well, released on another bad home console in terms of sales. They are impacted by hardware sales. I'm fairly certain that if they made direct sequels to TTYD then each of those games would have sold more than Super, Sticker Star, or Color Splash on their systems.

Maybe, but you're only speculating, you don't know that at all. What we do know is that Nintendo clearly don't think that.



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Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Dulfite said:

What? Paper Mario released on N64, a modest system. TTYD released on GameCube, which had horrible hardware sales. Super released on Wii and SS released on 3ds, both of which had a lot more hardware sales. Color Splash, which also didn't sell well, released on another bad home console in terms of sales. They are impacted by hardware sales. I'm fairly certain that if they made direct sequels to TTYD then each of those games would have sold more than Super, Sticker Star, or Color Splash on their systems.

Maybe, but you're only speculating, you don't know that at all. What we do know is that Nintendo clearly don't think that.

Wii 101.64

Super Paper Mario 3.73

3.7% of owners bought this

N64 32.93

Original 1.38

4.2% of owners bought this

3ds 74.83

Sticker star 2.41

3.2% of owners bought this

GameCube 21.74

TTYD 2.25

10% of owners bought this.

Wii U 13.97

Color Splash .87

6.2%

Very clearly the TTYD formula was the way to go and why they went with the SS formula once, let alone twice, is beyond me. In any case, this shows that hardware moved very much had a factor in how much software is moved. If TTYD released on Wii U it would have flopped, and if it released on Wii or Switch it would probably be in the 7-10 million sales club.



Train wreck said:
RolStoppable said:

Their softography shows a ForwardWorks Corporation game as the last entry. ForwardWorks belongs to Sony.

Beyond that, pretty much every article mentions rising development costs which rules out their work for Nintendo where they reused assets for the Mario & Luigi games. Also, Nintendo wouldn't let the studio die if they were in the middle of developing an exclusive for Switch, so your assertion simply makes no sense.

There is an unreleased (although known) game for the Switch that AlphaDream worked on that is releasing soon. Its just a matter if its 3rd party or 1st party title, given their 20 year stint of being a Nintendo second party, all signs are pointing to that.

Also:

So you can't back up your initial assertion. There was this last year:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/07/mario_and_luigi_developer_alphadream_recruiting_graphic_designers_for_switch_and_smartphone_projects

Hirings for Switch, PS4 and smartphone projects, so your additional assertion that all signs are pointing towards a Nintendo first party game being the nail in the coffin is wrong as well.

The SJW tweets reek of desperation on your part. Firstly, as if Nintendo had had any 3DS plans beyond the most recent Mario & Luigi; that game was going to be the end of 3DS first party game development regardless of its sales. Secondly, the second SJW tweet you posted contradicts your claim that they were working with Nintendo when they went bankrupt.



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Dulfite said:
RetroGamer94 said:

Dude, partners in time was the best of the series!! How can you speak these words!!

Sad news but I hope the series continues in some fashion, I actually think the last couple were far to hand holdy and got very bogged down. They fet like they had a lot of filler content 

1. Bowser's Inside Story

2. Original

3. Dream Team

4. Paper Jam

5. Partners in Time

I too liked PiT the least.

You’re making me sad lol

1. Partners in Time

2. Original

3. Bowser's Inside Story

4. Dream Team

5. Paper Jam

My order, BIS and Original are interchangeable really.

None on this lists are as good as super Mario rpg or paper Mario TTYD. 



If a big HD game is what killed them, I gotta say, that’s kind of fascinating: HD gaming, killing off small devs for 13 years.
That said, tons of tiny indies have been pulling off HD games for a long time now, I would love to hear what “happened” over there. I guess maybe too many resources into remakes just prior to this project, too....
Hopefully Nintendo picks up the torch in some fashion.