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Maybe the ps5 will be biodegradable? Joking aside, maybe they will make it out of PLA.



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HollyGamer said:
DonFerrari said:
I would rather have they focus on power and the quality of the games. But sure I can understand they being on the bandwagon to keep social talk not against them.

Like other has mentioned it's just an improvement of standby mode like on PS4 . The console itself when it's running will be the same as powerful or more compare to PS4 

They have inferred putting greener messages on the games. That can influence the type of game they choose to make or may make shoehorned decisions on including stuff in games not making sense.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
HollyGamer said:

Like other has mentioned it's just an improvement of standby mode like on PS4 . The console itself when it's running will be the same as powerful or more compare to PS4 

They have inferred putting greener messages on the games. That can influence the type of game they choose to make or may make shoehorned decisions on including stuff in games not making sense.

Hell even oil company now go green, it doesn't mean they go green PS5 will be less powerful. Go green nowadays has become marketing tools , in fact none of it impact in real life.



SwitchUP said:
So if everyone is so worried about power consumption.... the switch should be at the very tippy top(lol) of your list for systems to buy and play.... it, by FAR, uses the least amount of power and is the epitome of sustainability.... oh.. it has a battery? Well, so do all those wireless controllers you use.... anyway, I always feel like these things are just corporate bullshit trying to play to every circle they can... when the only thing they really give a shit about is how many billions can they make of the shit they sell. None of these companies are worried about the gloabal impact... they're worried about their bank impact.

It's not just the power consumption of the device.
It's also the energy required to manufacture said devices.

And it's also the offsets that manufacturers use to mitigate their carbon footprint.

I.E. It costs electricity to run a fab, some fabs deploy a ton of Solar Photovoltaic cells in order to offset that, it's about being greener at every single stop along the concept-to-manufacture-to-houshold-product chain.

KLAMarine said:
Great to hear PS5 will aim to consume less power than the PS4 (how will that work though? More power surely means more power needs). The whole messaging of sustainability and such seems odd but maybe they can make it work...

Newer chips on a smaller fabrication process means less power draw for any given unit of performance.
Ryzen has proven to be extremely beastly at energy efficiency for instance.

It could also mean the machine is smarter with it's energy consumption when not gaming, I.E. Less CPU/GPU/DRAM time whilst downloading in the background or in standby. - Not having a mechanical disk to spin up and keep spinning helps too!

gamingsoul said:
If gamers are now so concerned about the environment they should just go out and play with their dog, that’s very eco friendly, buying physical should be banned too,what about the pc master race? I am sure those big pc with complicated cooling are very sustainable. I don’t know whT Sony is trying to do here, less consumption means power, gamers won’t be happy if their next big game doesn’t keep those 60fps, I am a big Sony fan but things have been strange since they moved to California, they are acting very similar to the way Microsoft was at the beginning of this generation.

Being Carbon neutral and green doesn't mean giving up our consumerist ways.

Being more energy efficient doesn't always equate to less performance.
Chips have a performance/power consumption efficiency curve, often GPU's and CPU are run at much higher frequencies and thus manufacturers need to pump up the voltage in order to retain stability, which has a direct relationship with power consumption.

fatslob-:O said:
Not impressed by Sony's flouting of politics to customers. I'm starting to miss Kaz Hirai's early CEO days at Sony. Man, Sony's gone into a pretty shitty direction lately ...

First it was the censorship, then it was progressive virtue signalling, and then they go nature loving hipster on us ?! WTF is their problem ...

Being green is far from being political. It only becomes political when people make it political.

Everyone should strive to be greener.

Fei-Hung said:
A lot over reactions. Every gen console makers give sinppets of info of what's great about the new console. This is just another feature. Some will be happy as it consumes less power and is cheaper to run, others as its greener. It's only a big deal if you make it one.

Yep. Everyone loves to be "offended" over something, even if it's about being green.

HollyGamer said:

Like other has mentioned it's just an improvement of standby mode like on PS4 . The console itself when it's running will be the same as powerful or more compare to PS4 

They might be ditching the separate ARM CPU cores and DRAM and relying on the beefier Ryzen cores alone to help achieve it.
Or they might do the opposite and beef up some ARM cores.






--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

Final Fantasy VII was all about sending a green message, so the game must have sucked.



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I bet any amount of money that the internal PS5 components just happened to consume less electricity, and Sony marketing decided to spin that as "intentional" and that they're "going green".



HollyGamer said:
DonFerrari said:

They have inferred putting greener messages on the games. That can influence the type of game they choose to make or may make shoehorned decisions on including stuff in games not making sense.

Hell even oil company now go green, it doesn't mean they go green PS5 will be less powerful. Go green nowadays has become marketing tools , in fact none of it impact in real life.

Yes it is a marketing tool, but can have impact in the game development. Just look at Sony censorship to advocate for "womans right", or the changes in ND games, etc. Some stuff can be added to games and is good, others may be detrimental, and it isn't uncommon to make it wrong when you start shoehorning.

Echo_Djinn said:

I bet any amount of money that the internal PS5 components just happened to consume less electricity, and Sony marketing decided to spin that as "intentional" and that they're "going green".

Being corporate it is always a possibility. But considering it helps engineering it may also have been intentional.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Hiku said:

90's - Recycling more, and reducing your electricity consumption is better for the environment.

"Sure, makes sense."

2010's -

"OMG can you NOT get p0lItiCaL!!??? B0yC0t!"

Yeah, we are fucked.

esp when it doesnt even make sense.

If this is about idle power usage, and standby power usage....... something that doesnt even effect the end user's gameing experiance.
Hell even if its stuff like makeing sure the packageing is more enviromentally friendly.... again it doesnt effect the gamer's gameing experiance.

How can anyone be upset over something like this?



Pemalite said:
SwitchUP said:
So if everyone is so worried about power consumption.... the switch should be at the very tippy top(lol) of your list for systems to buy and play.... it, by FAR, uses the least amount of power and is the epitome of sustainability.... oh.. it has a battery? Well, so do all those wireless controllers you use.... anyway, I always feel like these things are just corporate bullshit trying to play to every circle they can... when the only thing they really give a shit about is how many billions can they make of the shit they sell. None of these companies are worried about the gloabal impact... they're worried about their bank impact.

It's not just the power consumption of the device.
It's also the energy required to manufacture said devices.

And it's also the offsets that manufacturers use to mitigate their carbon footprint.

I.E. It costs electricity to run a fab, some fabs deploy a ton of Solar Photovoltaic cells in order to offset that, it's about being greener at every single stop along the concept-to-manufacture-to-houshold-product chain.

KLAMarine said:
Great to hear PS5 will aim to consume less power than the PS4 (how will that work though? More power surely means more power needs). The whole messaging of sustainability and such seems odd but maybe they can make it work...

Newer chips on a smaller fabrication process means less power draw for any given unit of performance.
Ryzen has proven to be extremely beastly at energy efficiency for instance.

It could also mean the machine is smarter with it's energy consumption when not gaming, I.E. Less CPU/GPU/DRAM time whilst downloading in the background or in standby. - Not having a mechanical disk to spin up and keep spinning helps too!

gamingsoul said:
If gamers are now so concerned about the environment they should just go out and play with their dog, that’s very eco friendly, buying physical should be banned too,what about the pc master race? I am sure those big pc with complicated cooling are very sustainable. I don’t know whT Sony is trying to do here, less consumption means power, gamers won’t be happy if their next big game doesn’t keep those 60fps, I am a big Sony fan but things have been strange since they moved to California, they are acting very similar to the way Microsoft was at the beginning of this generation.

Being Carbon neutral and green doesn't mean giving up our consumerist ways.

Being more energy efficient doesn't always equate to less performance.
Chips have a performance/power consumption efficiency curve, often GPU's and CPU are run at much higher frequencies and thus manufacturers need to pump up the voltage in order to retain stability, which has a direct relationship with power consumption.

fatslob-:O said:
Not impressed by Sony's flouting of politics to customers. I'm starting to miss Kaz Hirai's early CEO days at Sony. Man, Sony's gone into a pretty shitty direction lately ...

First it was the censorship, then it was progressive virtue signalling, and then they go nature loving hipster on us ?! WTF is their problem ...

Being green is far from being political. It only becomes political when people make it political.

Everyone should strive to be greener.

Fei-Hung said:
A lot over reactions. Every gen console makers give sinppets of info of what's great about the new console. This is just another feature. Some will be happy as it consumes less power and is cheaper to run, others as its greener. It's only a big deal if you make it one.

Yep. Everyone loves to be "offended" over something, even if it's about being green.

HollyGamer said:

Like other has mentioned it's just an improvement of standby mode like on PS4 . The console itself when it's running will be the same as powerful or more compare to PS4 

They might be ditching the separate ARM CPU cores and DRAM and relying on the beefier Ryzen cores alone to help achieve it.
Or they might do the opposite and beef up some ARM cores.




"Not having a mechanical disk to spin up and keep spinning helps too!"

>So a disc-less future?



Wouldn't it be way more environmentally friendly, and healthier for everyone, if all PS services were taken offline once per week? A day to rest and pay respects to Kratos?

ruffy37 said:
so the ps4 uses 150w while playing. while a rx 5700 has tdp of 180w, without rest of the system. good luck trying to top that without getting a weak console. unless they are talking about different things.

PS Switch Pro level hybrid as an efficient base PS5, along with a RX 5700 (XT) PS5 Pro that skirts the 4k/60 line, also being somewhat efficient.