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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 21st Sept 2019; Switch Lite launch numbers!

OTBWY said:
Ganoncrotch said:

This is probably only going to impact a tiny number of people as well... but why is there no real download queue control, also the download queue seems limited to what... about 30 games at a time? With no error message to alert you that games after that aren't added to the list.

Also you might want to check out games with dlc, I had a few like Superbeat Xonic and Tetris 99 which only downloaded the DLC but not the games needed to play them I had to navigate to Tetris 99's own page... on the US store to be able to download it (the EU store where my online account is just says the game is purchased with no option to download) the thing is, I work in IT support and teaching IT support and I'm running into issues with this, the average kid is just gonna be crying his eyes out and thinking he'll just start a new Nintendo account on it instead and dad can just buy him the games again on that, it'll be easier.

Why don't they just let you hop the SD card from one Switch into the other and rebuild the game DB like the Vita got so perfectly right... I mean if your system is less friendly than the Vita's one you're in trouble.

Hmmm, I didn't have that much trouble. All my saves and content were there. It recognized them. I tested out a couple games to verify. First was BotW, to check if all my dlc was there and my saves too. Then I checked Splatoon 2 to check if my progress was still there. Also went right. Then I check Smash Bros and Rocket League. All went fine. My problem was rather the large amount of games that I have. As for the downloading itself.. I did it alphabetically, so I didn't do 30 at a time. It was a process of about 3 days in total. The region issues... I have had no problems with it. I have a separate US account that I needed to download my imported Megaman collections. Stupidly half of the collection was a download code. So I switched to the US account and easily redownloaded those halfs. This... is... so.. much better than the Vita if you've ever tried buying another game on your vita from another region.. digitally. It's a nightmare.

As for the SD card issue. Most definitely has to do with anti-hacking or piracy measures. If you're mentioning the Vita in the same sentence, best also consider that it's at least not an expensive proprietary format. 

Oh God Vita doesn't know what other regions mean... not at all, but when it comes to moving content from one Vita card to another that content moving app on the PC was pretty awesome for moving stuff from Vita to PC and then back to Vita.

You know I moved all the game files from my Switch SD card to my PC.... and now have 400GB of I think completely worthless data on my PC, think I might just delete those folders heh, Nintendo should consider a way to store downloaded games on something like a PC though so that people who point to the 14 year old Wii and say "all those digital games are now gone forever" wont be able to say that regarding the Switch at any point.

I'm not sure I should really contest piracy battling measures as I sit here creating a lesson plan for tomorrow while trying to make a Jig out of a small cable tie which had a metal inner cable.



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Huge but not shocking numbers for Switch Wonder what is the Lite/Regular ratio.

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This sets up what could be a hectic holiday season for sales.



Wyrdness said:
This sets up what could be a hectic holiday season for sales.

I'm thinking over 10 million shipped for the quarter. Last year it did 9.40m



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Ganoncrotch said:
OTBWY said:

Hmmm, I didn't have that much trouble. All my saves and content were there. It recognized them. I tested out a couple games to verify. First was BotW, to check if all my dlc was there and my saves too. Then I checked Splatoon 2 to check if my progress was still there. Also went right. Then I check Smash Bros and Rocket League. All went fine. My problem was rather the large amount of games that I have. As for the downloading itself.. I did it alphabetically, so I didn't do 30 at a time. It was a process of about 3 days in total. The region issues... I have had no problems with it. I have a separate US account that I needed to download my imported Megaman collections. Stupidly half of the collection was a download code. So I switched to the US account and easily redownloaded those halfs. This... is... so.. much better than the Vita if you've ever tried buying another game on your vita from another region.. digitally. It's a nightmare.

As for the SD card issue. Most definitely has to do with anti-hacking or piracy measures. If you're mentioning the Vita in the same sentence, best also consider that it's at least not an expensive proprietary format. 

Oh God Vita doesn't know what other regions mean... not at all, but when it comes to moving content from one Vita card to another that content moving app on the PC was pretty awesome for moving stuff from Vita to PC and then back to Vita.

You know I moved all the game files from my Switch SD card to my PC.... and now have 400GB of I think completely worthless data on my PC, think I might just delete those folders heh, Nintendo should consider a way to store downloaded games on something like a PC though so that people who point to the 14 year old Wii and say "all those digital games are now gone forever" wont be able to say that regarding the Switch at any point.

I'm not sure I should really contest piracy battling measures as I sit here creating a lesson plan for tomorrow while trying to make a Jig out of a small cable tie which had a metal inner cable.

Just have bad experiences with the Vita, and the content manager assistant: I don't know what but it takes ages to do stuff. I had a 64gb card (for 80 euros! Isn't that amazing?) and it took forever to put all the games on it. 

I did the exact same thing hahaha, I have about 400gb stored on my PC. I think I am gonna delete everything except my screenshots and videos. 

Jigthewhatnow?



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OTBWY said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Oh God Vita doesn't know what other regions mean... not at all, but when it comes to moving content from one Vita card to another that content moving app on the PC was pretty awesome for moving stuff from Vita to PC and then back to Vita.

You know I moved all the game files from my Switch SD card to my PC.... and now have 400GB of I think completely worthless data on my PC, think I might just delete those folders heh, Nintendo should consider a way to store downloaded games on something like a PC though so that people who point to the 14 year old Wii and say "all those digital games are now gone forever" wont be able to say that regarding the Switch at any point.

I'm not sure I should really contest piracy battling measures as I sit here creating a lesson plan for tomorrow while trying to make a Jig out of a small cable tie which had a metal inner cable.

Just have bad experiences with the Vita, and the content manager assistant: I don't know what but it takes ages to do stuff. I had a 64gb card (for 80 euros! Isn't that amazing?) and it took forever to put all the games on it. 

I did the exact same thing hahaha, I have about 400gb stored on my PC. I think I am gonna delete everything except my screenshots and videos. 

Jigthewhatnow?

I also went from a 16GB stick to the 64GB one for the Vita it was only after getting for it (at a huge cost) that I found out that tons of those had issues with capacity and speed, like you my 64GB card at least was not fast or as reliable at holding data as my 16GB was sadly but I got that in the end days of my Vita main console handheld play so it was pretty much just a layer of pebbles on the fairly sad grave that the Vita was in for me at the time, really though I did have hundreds of hours of fun on that system but it could have been so much more but at the same time I appreciate that Sony seen the writing on the wall for it and pulled the plug from its life support so that they could plug in an additional TV for the PS4 to feel more cosy in its bed and they went all in to make the PS4 as good as it ended up being, Vita was a worthy sacrifice imo.

A Switch Jig is a device used to put an OG Switch into recovery mode to install a custom firmware onto it, it was one of the other main reasons I got a revision Switch and wanted to get all my accounts off my OG model, the recent sale of things like FFX, Megadrive collection and the Secret of Mana collection on the eshop had me just on the edge of buying... and then I thought, why spend around 100 or so on a handful of old titles when I can spend that money on a better Switch for the rest of my games and then use the main unit of my Old Switch to mod and put every emulator and homebrew on the planet on and then I can play things like the fan translation of Secret of Mana 2 that way rather than spending 30 on a single Rom for the Switch.



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The_Liquid_Laser said:
curl-6 said:

Nah, it won't directly compete with PS5 either. It's a totally different value proposition and sells for totally different reasons. PS5 will fill the same niche as PS4, if Switch doesn't compete with one, it won't compete with the other.

This sounds like a reasonable explanation, but it doesn't fit with the sales history of consoles.  The XBox360 launched in 2005 and had absolutely no impact upon PS2 sales.  Do you also think the XBox360 had no impact upon PS3 sales?

360 and PS3 were similar systems competing for the same demographics, Switch and PS5 will not be.



cycycychris said:
Blood_Tears said:
Switch finally overtakes PS4 in yearly sales for the first time ever after 9 months into this year. PS4 did well in it's 6th year although Nintendo had to switch back into a cheap dedicated handheld sku to do it.

Care to expand upon that claim? As far as I can tell, this is far from the first time the switch has led the PS4 in yearly sales for 2019. Source: http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_date.php

The weekly market share article had PS4 a head YTD when you calculate the back adjustments that had to be made. This weeks numbers with the handheld lite launch over take PS4 after 9 months into the 2019 year. It's on the front page of this site. This will be the first year that Switch outsells PS4 in yearly sales. 



curl-6 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

This sounds like a reasonable explanation, but it doesn't fit with the sales history of consoles.  The XBox360 launched in 2005 and had absolutely no impact upon PS2 sales.  Do you also think the XBox360 had no impact upon PS3 sales?

360 and PS3 were similar systems competing for the same demographics, Switch and PS5 will not be.

Just to drive this further home, Playstation plus Xbox sales per generation always hover around 175M total. Nintendo consoles however are completely detached from those sales and vary wildly. This is due to PS/XB gamers are very similar and play very similar games, hence they fill up the same niche.

The same can't be said with Nintendo consoles. They are bought with Nintendo games in mind and third party games as a "nice to have" bonus or afterthought. And with the Switch, you can also throw portability into the mix, since it doesn't really have any competition in that domain anymore.



Mar1217 said:
Rafie said:

No chance? You're clearly underestimating how badly the gaming community wants FF7 Remake. Especially the fact that they've added the turn based option back in it. Nah my vote is definitely FF7 Remake and Cyberpunk 2077. They will win both weeks. The holidays will be interesting indeed. PS4 may be able to pull a month away from Switch if they do a permanent price drop. That's a big maybe. Otherwise I don't see PS4 taking any more months away from Switch.

And most of your dear gaming community already has their PS4 since we got the announcement in 2015. The FF fanbase has been on onboard since a long time in the PS4 ecosystem, why suddenly buy PS4 in masses for this game in perticular ?

And I mean, you're clearly avoiding the Animal Crossing issue I've just brought on ...

I'm avoiding the Animal Crossing issue? Hmm... So I'll pose the same question to you. You think that folks who don't have a Switch already will buy Switches in masses for Animal Crossing? I mean you do have a valid point about gamers already having their PS4s. So I'll take renege on my statement. I believe the same thing will happen with Animal Crossing if it doesn't have a special console bundling. Most of the folks who are waiting for Pokemon will have picked up a Switch for that game because I know they're gonna do a special console for that game.



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