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The Last Of Us: Part II Launches February 21, 2020

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Summerset said:

But I feel like the plot twist might be something like this:

*Potential spoilers*

At some point early-ish in the game, Elly will lose someone close to her. Probably her girlfriend. Perhaps when we see someone getting shot in the new trailer while Elly is held down by some thugs.



Elly will then go into her "I'm going to kill every last one of them" phase, and we'll assume she is talking about her dead girlfriend. She'll team up with Joel to take down the enemy.

But then later on in the game it'll be revealed that Joel was killed a long time ago. Perhaps during a crucial moment where we think Joel is with her and can help her, but turns out he's actually not there, and can't help. And that the scene where Elly said she was going to "kill every last one of them" was actually a flashback that happened before her girlfriend got killed. And that she was referring to Joel's death.

This is probably too specific to be accurate, but something along those lines.

I thought they just haven't seen each other in a while...maybe she cut ties with him, because she found out, what really happend at the end of the first part.

It's an interesting theory, but i think he's alive. Mostly because he interacts physically with her in the trailer and there's bit where Elly sits on the passenger seat (and gets attacked) while presumably some else is driving. The second "evidence" is a far stretch, but i'd put my money on Joel.

Jpcc86 said:

Joel being dead/Or dying early on in the game would be such a cliche that I dont think Naughty Dog would do it. Hopefully he is just gonna be sidelined to give Ellie the full focus.

Much of this sounds quite reasonable.

Have Ellie find out about the truth one way or another. Either she tells Joel to beat it, or he leaves on his own accord but not because he wants to. He can still keep tabs on her, but from a distance where he won't directly interfere with her life. Then have Joel finally catch up half way through, maybe two thirds, but have him help her finish what she set out to accomplish. She's probably super pissed, and isn't thinking all that rationally. She's out for blood and likely needs balance. Having Joel show up when the task finally seems impossible because she hasn't taken the time to think things through would make sense. This way she isn't overshadowed and can shine and grow all game long and remains the focal point throughout the entire game.

*This would also allow for some redemption on Joel's part from Ellie's viewpoint.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 25 September 2019

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Hiku said:


*Potential spoilers*

At some point early-ish in the game, her girlfriend gets killed. Maybe during the scene where Ellie is held down by some thugs and someone gets shot.

Ellie will then go into her "I'm going to kill every last one of them" phase, and we'll assume she is talking about her dead girlfriend, because she just died. She'll team up with Joel to take down the enemy. But then later on in the game it'll be revealed that Joel was killed a long time ago.
Perhaps we'll find out during a crucial moment where we think Joel is with her and can help her, but turns out he's actually not there, and can't help. And that the scene where Ellie said she was going to "kill every last one of them" was actually a flashback that happened before her girlfriend got killed. And that she was referring to Joel's death.

This is probably too specific to be accurate, but something along those lines.

So you think that Ellie and Joel will team up, but Joel will never be with her during gameplay? Or never do anything during gameplay segments? Once you have them team up and Joel does physically interact with an enemy or something, this entire concept that he was dead the whole time goes out the window. It won't make sense narratively, and it won't make sense mechanically either.

Hiku said:

About the physical interaction, have you seen Fight Club?
I've seen popular movies/games where someone is imagining physical interactions with someone who is not physically there, but it is visually represented as an actual interaction to us, to throw us off.
I've also seen works where a person imagines a different face/body than what they're actually looking at.

So that scene where Joel grabs her could be imagination, or an entirely different person that Ellie projects as Joel.

As for the car, that would seem to imply that someone else is driving. We do see her go off on an adventure with her girlfriend on horseback, so maybe she, Tommy or someone else is with her in the.
Though it could also be Joel. Whether he is alive, or it's a flashback presented as if it is currently happening. I'll have to pay attention to small details on Ellie, such as if she is wearing a different piece of clothing. Like if she has Joel's broken watch in some scenes, but not in others.

It always seems weird how Joel is presented in the trailers. Not only is his absence, but they don't even mention him.
If it's only a rift between Joel and Ellie, you'd think they'd at least mention him in some way.

What game does this physical imagination from a gameplay perspective? 

The trailers are pretty vague for the most part. The person grabbing her could be anyone since we never see who it is. The very next scene with Joel is not even in the same area as the Ellie grabbing scene.

Joel could be dead, maybe. But I highly doubt they play the whole "she is imagining it" angle without it being incredibly obvious from the get go. 

If anything, the trailers could possibly be hinting at their relationship being incredibly strained after the events of the first game. 



EricHiggin said:
Sarkar said:

Why is this even a thing? The games Sony has announced for PS4 are for the PS4, you'll be able to play them on PS5 through BC but Sony's not gonna use these to sell PS5s.

Horizon Zero Dawn came out in early 2017, when PS5 comes out next year it will have been almost 4 years, GG can certainly have a sequel ready in that time if they made the first one in 5 years. Not to mention by all accounts the next gen consoles are helping cutdown on development time.

Then Gran Turismo 7 should also be good to go. A title from Studio Japan. Perhaps the Demon's Souls remake by Bluepoint. I think those 4 at or during the launch window as in from November 2020- Early 2021 would be a pretty good launch without having to rely on PS4 games.

So you agree with the either or the or, or both? I'd like to ask why this is even a thing but...

I’m talking about the notion that these games will be cross-generation. PS5 will be BC so they will work regardless which makes the concept of cross-gen titles redundant.



Sarkar said:
EricHiggin said:

So you agree with the either or the or, or both? I'd like to ask why this is even a thing but...

I’m talking about the notion that these games will be cross-generation. PS5 will be BC so they will work regardless which makes the concept of cross-gen titles redundant.

Well I didn't take it that way considering it's fairly well known that's supposed to be the case next gen. 

What I was getting at, was more directed to the individuals who think that games announced for PS4 may be heavily relied on to push PS5 sales early on due to lack of new SIE titles. Pushing these final games out like this, would suggest that either PS5 is coming considerably sooner than holiday 2020 if it's going to rely on these PS4 games, or it's got it's new launch titles all lined up and doesn't need to worry late 2020-early 2021.



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EricHiggin said:
Sarkar said:

I’m talking about the notion that these games will be cross-generation. PS5 will be BC so they will work regardless which makes the concept of cross-gen titles redundant.

Well I didn't take it that way considering it's fairly well known that's supposed to be the case next gen. 

What I was getting at, was more directed to the individuals who think that games announced for PS4 may be heavily relied on to push PS5 sales early on due to lack of new SIE titles. Pushing these final games out like this, would suggest that either PS5 is coming considerably sooner than holiday 2020 if it's going to rely on these PS4 games, or it's got it's new launch titles all lined up and doesn't need to worry late 2020-early 2021.

No it’s coming next Holiday and won’t be relying on PS4 titles. Do people forget Sony hasn’t announced any big game since Ghost of Tsushima in 2017. Next year that’ll be around 3 years. Sony’s going to announce a lot next gen since they were in a position to hold things back for these last couple years.



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Sarkar said:
EricHiggin said:

Well I didn't take it that way considering it's fairly well known that's supposed to be the case next gen. 

What I was getting at, was more directed to the individuals who think that games announced for PS4 may be heavily relied on to push PS5 sales early on due to lack of new SIE titles. Pushing these final games out like this, would suggest that either PS5 is coming considerably sooner than holiday 2020 if it's going to rely on these PS4 games, or it's got it's new launch titles all lined up and doesn't need to worry late 2020-early 2021.

No it’s coming next Holiday and won’t be relying on PS4 titles. Do people forget Sony hasn’t announced any big game since Ghost of Tsushima in 2017. Next year that’ll be around 3 years. Sony’s going to announce a lot next gen since they were in a position to hold things back for these last couple years.

Well this was or is the fear of some, that the radio silence may be due to lack of titles ready to go for next gen. Based on the last couple of gens it's not like they would be completely out to left field thinking it's somewhat possible. Not like PS has had nothing at all to show before during launch, but based on the heavy hitters that have been shown well in advance for quite some time, and yet now, dead silence, so it's not crazy for some to wonder.

I myself agree that PS likely has a few worthy games on schedule and that has been the plan for quite some time on their part. With all the extra polish time these PS4 games have been getting over the years, it's left plenty of time for new IP, sequels, prequels, etc, for PS5 from the get go.



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EricHiggin said:
Sarkar said:

No it’s coming next Holiday and won’t be relying on PS4 titles. Do people forget Sony hasn’t announced any big game since Ghost of Tsushima in 2017. Next year that’ll be around 3 years. Sony’s going to announce a lot next gen since they were in a position to hold things back for these last couple years.

Well this was or is the fear of some, that the radio silence may be due to lack of titles ready to go for next gen. Based on the last couple of gens it's not like they would be completely out to left field thinking it's somewhat possible. Not like PS has had nothing at all to show before during launch, but based on the heavy hitters that have been shown well in advance for quite some time, and yet now, dead silence, so it's not crazy for some to wonder.

I myself agree that PS likely has a few worthy games on schedule and that has been the plan for quite some time on their part. With all the extra polish time these PS4 games have been getting over the years, it's left plenty of time for new IP, sequels, prequels, etc, for PS5 from the get go.

It is in fact completely crazy to thing that because why would Sony be announcing games for the PS5 before they formally announce the console? In previous gens Sony’s studios were busy making current gen games right till the last year or so.

this time GG and Polyphony have been working on next gen for 3-4 years before the console comes out. Santa Monica, and Insomniac got 2-3 year head start, Bend will have a 1.5 year head start, etc. This will not be like PS4’s launch. Anyone who thinks we’re looking at a slow start needs to look deeper.



If Joel is dead, then who drives the car at 2:17 in the trailer? Ellie is clearly sitting in the passenger seat of a moving vehicle. If you look at the environment of the shot, you can clearly see that it is the same as when Joel sneaks up behind Ellie.

He is alive folks.



LordLichtenstein said:
If Joel is dead, then who drives the car at 2:17 in the trailer? Ellie is clearly sitting in the passenger seat of a moving vehicle. If you look at the environment of the shot, you can clearly see that it is the same as when Joel sneaks up behind Ellie.

He is alive folks.

That's not Joel. The connection between Joel and Ellie is so strong that even a mere figment of his imagination can perform simple tasks such as driving. 



twintail said:

What game does this physical imagination from a gameplay perspective? 

Didn't Uncharted 3 do that?



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