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zorg1000 said:
JRPGfan said:

ZhugeEX kinda confirmed its over 100m though.
He said that PS4 was over 30m in the USA, and its almost 30% of total PS4 sales.

That basically saying theres over 70m PS4 out there, somewhere else not in the USA.

Sony did at one point say they had now shipped more than 100m units.

That doesnt confirm 100m sell through, he said over 30m in US and around 30% of total sales. It could be 30.1m in US and be 30.5% of sales which would be like ~98.7m globally.

Since he didn't specifically mention 100m sell through and Sony hasnt commented on it yet than it's safe to say it's not quite there yet.

Sony not announcing 100m as soon as it happens doesn't confirm it hasn't reach it either. The same argument has been made in the past, sure not for as big a milestone, but people claiming sales must be lower than a certain figure because lack of an announcement only to proved wrong later.

Zhuugex likely hasn't mentioned it because he's not completely sure, after all he says "over 30m", "approximately 30%" and as you say, without EXACT figures you can't say definitively one way or another if it has passed 100m, so he doesn't.

Personally as of today I'm sure the PS4 has sold-through over 100m, but we'll find out soon enough.



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kazuyamishima said:
PS4: 6th year, no new Big releases, no price cut, MRSP $299/399. And over 200K Damm.

Switch is doing better, the new model gave a big boost.

Still I guess ps4 is undertracked and switch overtracked, but I could be wrong.

PS4 is probably close to right on the money, they allign pretty well with Sony confirming 100M shipped and Zhuge's comments.

However not sure why you would think Switch is overtracked?



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zorg1000 said:
JRPGfan said:

ZhugeEX kinda confirmed its over 100m though.
He said that PS4 was over 30m in the USA, and its almost 30% of total PS4 sales.

That basically saying theres over 70m PS4 out there, somewhere else not in the USA.

Sony did at one point say they had now shipped more than 100m units.

That doesnt confirm 100m sell through, he said over 30m in US and around 30% of total sales. It could be 30.1m in US and be 30.5% of sales which would be like ~98.7m globally.

Since he didn't specifically mention 100m sell through and Sony hasnt commented on it yet than it's safe to say it's not quite there yet.

  • OVER 30M in US.
  • AROUND 30%
  • And you somehow get 98.7M? Thats very one sided math.

If 30.1M of anything represents at 30% of anything, that means for certain that "anything" is at least 100M. Only way its less is if you took "around"  30% to mean "more" than 30%. In which case I would ask why didn't he also say "OVER" 30% too?

Whatever the case we are clutching straws here... even if its not 100M, it can't be short of that mark by more than 500k (0.5%) as you have even pointed out by your calculation... which falls well within any sales estimate margin of error.

And sony doesn't need to comment on it "again" cause just last month or so they announced they had shipped over 100M consoles. No point coming back and saying and now e have sold over 100M consoles. Further more, as they have done for most of ts gen, they only really talk about sell through numbers around January very year.



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Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:

That doesnt confirm 100m sell through, he said over 30m in US and around 30% of total sales. It could be 30.1m in US and be 30.5% of sales which would be like ~98.7m globally.

Since he didn't specifically mention 100m sell through and Sony hasnt commented on it yet than it's safe to say it's not quite there yet.

  • OVER 30M in US.
  • AROUND 30%
  • And you somehow get 98.7M? Thats very one sided math.

If 30.1M of anything represents at 30% of anything, that means for certain that "anything" is at least 100M. Only way its less is if you took "around"  30% to mean "more" than 30%. In which case I would ask why didn't he also say "OVER" 30% too?

Whatever the case we are clutching straws here... even if its not 100M, it can't be short of that mark by more than 500k (0.5%) as you have even pointed out by your calculation... which falls well within any sales estimate margin of error.

And sony doesn't need to comment on it "again" cause just last month or so they announced they had shipped over 100M consoles. No point coming back and saying and now e have sold over 100M consoles. Further more, as they have done for most of ts gen, they only really talk about sell through numbers around January very year.

I think you are misinterpreting my point. I gave 30.1m and 30.5% for a total of ~98.7m as an example to show how it's not confirmed to be over 100m.

On the flip side it could be 30.5m and 30.1% for a total of ~101.3m.

My overall point is that there is nothing confirmed which is what the person I responded to said.



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Barkley said:
zorg1000 said:

That doesnt confirm 100m sell through, he said over 30m in US and around 30% of total sales. It could be 30.1m in US and be 30.5% of sales which would be like ~98.7m globally.

Since he didn't specifically mention 100m sell through and Sony hasnt commented on it yet than it's safe to say it's not quite there yet.

Sony not announcing 100m as soon as it happens doesn't confirm it hasn't reach it either. The same argument has been made in the past, sure not for as big a milestone, but people claiming sales must be lower than a certain figure because lack of an announcement only to proved wrong later.

Zhuugex likely hasn't mentioned it because he's not completely sure, after all he says "over 30m", "approximately 30%" and as you say, without EXACT figures you can't say definitively one way or another if it has passed 100m, so he doesn't.

Personally as of today I'm sure the PS4 has sold-through over 100m, but we'll find out soon enough.

Absolutely, it goes both ways, it's not confirmed to be over or under 100m, all we know for sure is that it's really close to 100m.

And you're right, Zhuge might not know for sure and Sony might not announce it since they announced 100m shipments recently.



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Evilms said:
PlayStation®4 hardware unit sales : 100 million (As of June 30, 2019)

https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/data.html

That's sell-in (shipped) not sell through, what the discussion is about :>



zorg1000 said:
Intrinsic said:
  • OVER 30M in US.
  • AROUND 30%
  • And you somehow get 98.7M? Thats very one sided math.

If 30.1M of anything represents at 30% of anything, that means for certain that "anything" is at least 100M. Only way its less is if you took "around"  30% to mean "more" than 30%. In which case I would ask why didn't he also say "OVER" 30% too?

Whatever the case we are clutching straws here... even if its not 100M, it can't be short of that mark by more than 500k (0.5%) as you have even pointed out by your calculation... which falls well within any sales estimate margin of error.

And sony doesn't need to comment on it "again" cause just last month or so they announced they had shipped over 100M consoles. No point coming back and saying and now e have sold over 100M consoles. Further more, as they have done for most of ts gen, they only really talk about sell through numbers around January very year.

I think you are misinterpreting my point. I gave 30.1m and 30.5% for a total of ~98.7m as an example to show how it's not confirmed to be over 100m.

On the flip side it could be 30.5m and 30.1% for a total of ~101.3m.

My overall point is that there is nothing confirmed which is what the person I responded to said.

Oh ok then,I understand. My bad.