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It's unsurprising that this is such a popular sentiment, which is really what this is about.
You can try and deflect by talking about how Dunkey isn't good or serious, but the main point is that most people looked at a video trashing Xbox's past gen and a half and went "yeah, checks out".
If I had to hazard as to the reason why, it's because, unlike Sony and Nintendo, they've never tried to expand their audience to people who don't already like XBox.


I ran a thought experiment: what would happen if, for whatever reason, I didn't like the three core franchises of each publisher?
That is, what if I didn't like Nintendo (Mario, Zelda, Smash), Sony (Uncharted, GOW, Gran Turismo) or Microsoft's (Halo, Gears, Forza) principal output?
With Nintendo, I'd still have Fire Emblem, Kirby, Metroid, Astral Chain and a myriad other.
With Sony I'd have Bloodborne, Until Dawn, Horizon: Zero Dawn, the Yakuza series, Ratchet and Clank and more.
However with MS? Well, if you don't care for their big three franchises you're mostly sol




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thismeintiel said:
Ganoncrotch said:
Dunkey is a God, video is pretty much nail on the head, I was expecting more a comedy video from him but nope, does it direct and fairly cutting breakdown of why the system and their whole division is pointless right now.

Also

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The Fall of Xbox

I love Dunkey but didn't know he was that huge, some of his Mario Maker videos are gold btw if you guys haven't seen them, he's really good at games as well as being a funny youtuber.

I think a lot of Xbox guys have jumped ship or are jumping ship. One channel I watch is MBG. Not a big channel, but he has about 33K subs. I came across him this year. I decided to look at his old videos, and it surprised me because they were all positive Xbox vids. Apparently, he jumped ship earlier this year. I think a lot are following.

And there's a reason their PR for Gears 5 rings hollow. They gave the game away for a month for $1. Of course, people are going to jump at that. I'm surprised it wasn't more than 3M honestly, as it's on PC, too. I mean GOW and Spider-Man sold over 3M in it first days at $60 a pop. That's $180M+ in revenue compared to probably just $17M from retail/digital* and the rest from Game Pass promotions. It's obvious that MS is taking a hit on this game in order to push Game Pass. I just don't think it's going to work when the promotion is up and their aren't more huge titles on there.

* Gears 3 sold 3M in its first week. In the UK, it did 20x the amount Gears 5 sold. If we say that averages out to 15x, with other regions probably doing better, that's just 200K units sold. If we are being generous and make the digital ratio a high 42%, that makes 284K units sold, $17M in revenue at full price.

I started watching him right before he switched from being an Xbox centric channel to a Playstation one, it was due to him playing GOW and then TLOU and realizing that those games were (in his own words) "on another level", after that ive been enjoying watching him play through all the PS exclusives he had missed this gen and doing reviews for each one of them.



smroadkill15 said:
Is it a coincidence 2 new videos about 'xbox being bad' from this guy and Jim releases shortly after Gears 5 is considered a major success critically and financially? I don't think so. People have there opinions and that's fine. If they would have released their videos several years ago when the Xbox one was more down in the dumps, it would be more understanding. Considering what everything MS has accomplished in the last 2 years with nabbing up more developers, gamepass, play anywhere, PC gaming getting same day releases, BC, Xbox One X, and generally more consumer friendly practices, these sort of videos feel dated.

You're going to have to post a source on Gears 5 being a success financially. Signs we have so far seem to point to MS taking a hit on it to push Game Pass.



SammyGiireal said:

I disagree about the implosion.  Both the PS3 and the 360 were successful in their gen with Sony winning by a small margin but building enough mid to late gen exclusives in order to carry over into this current gen. The Wiis success with the casual market is the only strange occurrence in the past two gens, and Nintendo paid for it (conquering the casual non habitual gamers while losing the hardcore gamers to Sony and Microsoft) with the Wii U.  There was no implosion from a front runner, both MS and Sony were in a good standing prior to Don Mattricks folly. If anything the PS3 closed out the strongest last gen.

Sorry Sammy, the PS3 lost more money last gen than any other console maker and at a time when Sony as a brand was falling, the PS3 almost added the nail in the coffin. 

As a major business standpoint the PS3 was a flop. The 360 would be too however there income and revenue gain from Live members would have eaten up a lot of the costs of the 360 and Red Ring of Death issues and actually probably made the 360 profitable (However MS doesn't show Membership profits in there end of year results). Hence why Sony followed suit this gen with the PS4.

The XB1 might have also come out the gate similar to the PS3, but the XB1 isn't a flop interms of a business profiting stand point, its just the PS4 is making a lot more money this time around. I don't believe the XB1 has lost MS billions like the PS3 or 360 has in the past. Its why MS are still making consoles next gen, its not about the sales numbers eclipsing the other sales numbers, its all about the profits and Xbox consoles profit the most through memberships.

https://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbox-360-and-ps3-losses-total-8-billion-ex-sony-employee-paints-grim-future/

360 sold 85m Lost $3b 

PS3 sold 87m Lost $5b

A 2m sales difference in platform sales and yet a $2b more lost overall, I would say you would much rather the lower sale platform than the extra billions lost. Also add the fact last gen Xbox 360 also sold more software overall and had income from millions of live members makes this a no brainer in which console is more successful than the other.

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His channel is bigger than Xbox Official Youtube channels LMAO and many people agree with him. This will be a bad PR for Microsoft especially what he said is true and already confirmed by many people and gaming Jurno along time ago. And dayum that trending and that likes ratio. It's sure it's bad and than he mentioned "who need Scarlet ???". Scarlet is officially doomed before it's even born LOL.

I never knew he such fan of Playstation and Nintendo , i thought he more of middle guy and casual gamers. But seeing this big Youtubers pick a side and many people agree. It's just a confirmation that there is a true behind this and behind what he said to.



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Theres more xbox one consoles than that guys youtube channel , and scarlett will be ok obviously

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I think the video Jim Sterling put out yesterday is far more important and accurate.



RJTM1991 said:
However, Halo 5 was a great game. Sure, the campaign was lacking, but the multiplayer was the series' best. Gears 4 was good, much better than Judgment, and Gears 5 is quite possibly the best entry in the series there too. Sure, they may not be as groundbreaking as they were years ago, but they're still incredible games.

The Multiplayer only got decent once Microsoft introduced more maps to Warzone, implemented the Theatre, Forge, file browser, mutations/custom game modes.
It still lacks split screen.
And we can't forget the REQ system either which adds no strategic or gameplay value.

So series best? I would argue that the likes of Halo 3 were superior.

Chris Hu said:

Like someone already said it just ended up being a stupid list war video.  Also there are plenty of good games on XBox consoles besides Halo I played close to 500 games on all the X Box consoles and I barely played Halo.  So yeah what said stands the guy should rename himself videogamedummy.

There was a ton of exclusives on the 360 that didn't get a mention, Naruto: Rise of a Ninja and The Broken Bond, Lost Odyssey, Forza, Blue Dragon, Infinite Undiscovery... But yeah. Just turned into a list war video.

In saying that, he isn't wrong about the Xbox One, it doesn't really have any exclusives, it's a console that really doesn't seem to be as highly regarded as the Xbox 360. (Deserved or not.)

SammyGiireal said:

Microsoft lacks an open world game that can compete with HZD and BotW for example. They have Fable but they haven't touched that franchise on this gen. 

I honestly wish they never closed Lionhead who were one of my favorite developers before Microsoft purchased them and turned them into the "Fable Studio".

Same goes for Ensemble and Digital Anvil.

They made quality titles, sure... Lionhead dropped the ball with Fable 3, but it was still an enjoyable title, it just needed more development time to flesh out the game so there wasn't a giant time jump.

HollyGamer said:

It's sure it's bad and than he mentioned "who need Scarlet ???". Scarlet is officially doomed before it's even born LOL.

A bit of a stretch to assert something as definitive before it's even started.

It will all come down to the games in the end, especially if Microsoft is able to pump out more quality titles like Gears 5 that showcases the Ray Tracing potential of the console.



Azzanation said:
SammyGiireal said:

I disagree about the implosion.  Both the PS3 and the 360 were successful in their gen with Sony winning by a small margin but building enough mid to late gen exclusives in order to carry over into this current gen. The Wiis success with the casual market is the only strange occurrence in the past two gens, and Nintendo paid for it (conquering the casual non habitual gamers while losing the hardcore gamers to Sony and Microsoft) with the Wii U.  There was no implosion from a front runner, both MS and Sony were in a good standing prior to Don Mattricks folly. If anything the PS3 closed out the strongest last gen.

Sorry Sammy, the PS3 lost more money last gen than any other console maker and at a time when Sony as a brand was falling, the PS3 almost added the nail in the coffin. 

As a major business standpoint the PS3 was a flop. The 360 would be too however there income and revenue gain from Live members would have eaten up a lot of the costs of the 360 and Red Ring of Death issues and actually probably made the 360 profitable (However MS doesn't show Membership profits in there end of year results). Hence why Sony followed suit this gen with the PS4.

The XB1 might have also come out the gate similar to the PS3, but the XB1 isn't a flop interms of a business profiting stand point, its just the PS4 is making a lot more money this time around. I don't believe the XB1 has lost MS billions like the PS3 or 360 has in the past. Its why MS are still making consoles next gen, its not about the sales numbers eclipsing the other sales numbers, its all about the profits and Xbox consoles profit the most through memberships.

https://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbox-360-and-ps3-losses-total-8-billion-ex-sony-employee-paints-grim-future/

360 sold 85m Lost $3b 

PS3 sold 87m Lost $5b

A 2m sales difference in platform sales and yet a $2b more lost overall, I would say you would much rather the lower sale platform than the extra billions lost. Also add the fact last gen Xbox 360 also sold more software overall and had income from millions of live members makes this a no brainer in which console is more successful than the other.

Good points to know. But wouldn't you say that Sony's PS3's late gen push recovered a lot of gamers with exclusives and thus outsold the 360 paving the way for the PS4s crushing success. Sony was the favorite this gen they had built the momentum, no one imploded. 



Pemalite said:
RJTM1991 said:
However, Halo 5 was a great game. Sure, the campaign was lacking, but the multiplayer was the series' best. Gears 4 was good, much better than Judgment, and Gears 5 is quite possibly the best entry in the series there too. Sure, they may not be as groundbreaking as they were years ago, but they're still incredible games.

The Multiplayer only got decent once Microsoft introduced more maps to Warzone, implemented the Theatre, Forge, file browser, mutations/custom game modes.
It still lacks split screen.
And we can't forget the REQ system either which adds no strategic or gameplay value.

So series best? I would argue that the likes of Halo 3 were superior.

Chris Hu said:

Like someone already said it just ended up being a stupid list war video.  Also there are plenty of good games on XBox consoles besides Halo I played close to 500 games on all the X Box consoles and I barely played Halo.  So yeah what said stands the guy should rename himself videogamedummy.

There was a ton of exclusives on the 360 that didn't get a mention, Naruto: Rise of a Ninja and The Broken Bond, Lost Odyssey, Forza, Blue Dragon, Infinite Undiscovery... But yeah. Just turned into a list war video.

In saying that, he isn't wrong about the Xbox One, it doesn't really have any exclusives, it's a console that really doesn't seem to be as highly regarded as the Xbox 360. (Deserved or not.)

SammyGiireal said:

Microsoft lacks an open world game that can compete with HZD and BotW for example. They have Fable but they haven't touched that franchise on this gen. 

I honestly wish they never closed Lionhead who were one of my favorite developers before Microsoft purchased them and turned them into the "Fable Studio".

Same goes for Ensemble and Digital Anvil.

They made quality titles, sure... Lionhead dropped the ball with Fable 3, but it was still an enjoyable title, it just needed more development time to flesh out the game so there wasn't a giant time jump.

HollyGamer said:

It's sure it's bad and than he mentioned "who need Scarlet ???". Scarlet is officially doomed before it's even born LOL.

A bit of a stretch to assert something as definitive before it's even started.

It will all come down to the games in the end, especially if Microsoft is able to pump out more quality titles like Gears 5 that showcases the Ray Tracing potential of the console.

Fable 2 is one of my faves games ever, by comparison Fable 3 was a bit of a letdown indeed but I still appreciated the title. I am hoping the series comes back at some point in an open world setting like Zelda.