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Chrkeller said:

Nintendo certainly controls pricing of their games and keeps them high. Such is life. From a business perspective I get it, keeps brand equity.  

As an example I would never pay full price for Madden, given I know it will be $10 within a year.  I also really enjoy Borderlands, but may wait on BL3, again because it won't hold value.  On the other hand I day 1 Nintendo games, because it will be 4 years before they hit $20.

From a business perspective, yes but here is the thing: As a consumer I'm ONLY concerned with the consumer perspective. I must defend my interest, not Nintendo's or Sony's or any other company. So they are trying to get as much money from me as possible and I get that but I'm trying to get the best possible deal too and that's my concern and right.

Also are you saying it takes a long time but eventually their games come strongly down in price? Cause I can live with that, I can wait (Should I decide to get a Switch) and play BOTW in a couple  more years when the game will be out for 4 years and pay 20 euros. My understanding is that Nintendo games are NEVER sold at such a price.



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The thing that has me most at ease about this game's sales is its Metacritic page. There's already several hundred hater votes on the user score... and if there's haters, there's hype.



Nintendo eventually releases their games as greatest hits for $20 USD, but that takes a very long time.



Wyrdness said:
Chrkeller said:

Nintendo certainly controls pricing of their games and keeps them high. Such is life. From a business perspective I get it, keeps brand equity.  

As an example I would never pay full price for Madden, given I know it will be $10 within a year.  I also really enjoy Borderlands, but may wait on BL3, again because it won't hold value.  On the other hand I day 1 Nintendo games, because it will be 4 years before they hit $20.

Actually this isn't entirely true they don't control the price you personally pay retailers themselves do. The real reason the isn't a drop in price is because their games are always in demand hence why even second hand retailers still charge high prices for them.

Well controlling inventory essentially controls price.  Nintendo doesn't ship their games to the point of over saturation.  Supply matters just as much as demand.



Chrkeller said:
Nintendo eventually releases their games as greatest hits for $20 USD, but that takes a very long time.

If confirmed, the chances of me eventually getting a Switch just went much higher...

Thank you for the info.

I'll wait for that Switch Pro that might come up next year. No hurry, Nintendo, take your time!



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Chrkeller said:
Wyrdness said:

Actually this isn't entirely true they don't control the price you personally pay retailers themselves do. The real reason the isn't a drop in price is because their games are always in demand hence why even second hand retailers still charge high prices for them.

Well controlling inventory essentially controls price.  Nintendo doesn't ship their games to the point of over saturation.  Supply matters just as much as demand.

Again retailers control that as they put in orders for stock themselves they control supply . Nintendo only manufactures the product and ships it. When you see the products on shelves they've already been paid for it.

Retailers then take it from there hence rrp is only the suggested price .



Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Good news, because this more or less flopped in Japan as i gather.

No it didn't.  They just did not buy the collector's edition.  It is number 1 on the Japanese eshop as we speak.  The game seems to be selling well in all regions.



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Wyrdness said:
Chrkeller said:

Well controlling inventory essentially controls price.  Nintendo doesn't ship their games to the point of over saturation.  Supply matters just as much as demand.

Again retailers control that as they put in orders for stock themselves they control supply . Nintendo only manufactures the product and ships it. When you see the products on shelves they've already been paid for it.

Retailers then take it from there hence rrp is only the suggested price .

You’re right, people also tend to forget about second hand value and inventory. Games which have tendencies to drop fast in price also have the tendency to be returned as trade-in faster, which affect the inventory available against the demand.

A company like GameStop needs the second hand market to be profitable, but if they’re not moving their new inventory because they move too much second hand units, sales will follow.

It’s easy to complain about Nintendo’s pricing philosophy, which os based on offer and demand, but a look at the used market shows that their approach is the right one if your games can be marketed as such.

For example, since both released few days appart, take Zelda BotW and Horizon Zero Dawn. GameStop’s value for Zelda is 33$ as of today, while HZD is at 3.30$, and if you go in store you’ll have trouble finding a used copy of Zelda while HZD’s are all over the shelves and bins. Zelda’s higher price also guarantee a better value and the time it takes for them to sell a used copy tells us that’s there still a lot of demand for it.

In term of business, Nintendo’s doing the right thing. 



I don't feel like repeating myself for a third time but needless to say I'm cautiously optimistic, hopefully the digital sales and/or legs are good because all new releases that week were pretty modest in estimated sales.



abronn627 said:

You’re right, people also tend to forget about second hand value and inventory. Games which have tendencies to drop fast in price also have the tendency to be returned as trade-in faster, which affect the inventory available against the demand.

A company like GameStop needs the second hand market to be profitable, but if they’re not moving their new inventory because they move too much second hand units, sales will follow.

It’s easy to complain about Nintendo’s pricing philosophy, which os based on offer and demand, but a look at the used market shows that their approach is the right one if your games can be marketed as such.

For example, since both released few days appart, take Zelda BotW and Horizon Zero Dawn. GameStop’s value for Zelda is 33$ as of today, while HZD is at 3.30$, and if you go in store you’ll have trouble finding a used copy of Zelda while HZD’s are all over the shelves and bins. Zelda’s higher price also guarantee a better value and the time it takes for them to sell a used copy tells us that’s there still a lot of demand for it.

In term of business, Nintendo’s doing the right thing. 

Again their prices are good for THEM, and NOT for the consumer, and I'm not sure why some people almost religiously defend any brand and cheer for said brand in such a way that comes into contradiction with his/her own interests?

Regardless, I don't fully get this as it being the explanation for Nintendo's games prices holding in value over time the way they do. I mean your example of Horizon Zero Dawn and Zelda Breath of the Wild is a relevant one.

BOTH games have sold past 10 millions copies, both games are tremendous successes and both games are NATURALLY right now NOT selling much. Unless you want to argue that BOTW is number one in sales right now, I don't see why it holds in value. GTA5 which is completely crushing both BOTW and HZD put together in terms of sales can be found at a very low price so success has obviously nothing to do with how much a game is priced years after release.

There is something else going on here, I don't know what but Nintendo is not a good choice when it comes to consumer's best interest. Sure Nintendo much prefers to sell BOTW at full price even almost 3 years after release but I'm much happier with Sony selling their games at a very small price after that much time their games are released, it's much more interesting for me, the consumer and it's what the consumer should be looking into.

I don't know what the deal is so I cannot say for sure but I suspect Nintendo doing something to keep prices artificially high. Why else EVERY single other games publishers get their games selling at a very good price sometimes months only after release but not Nintendo?

You guys shouldn't be happy about this price issue, you shouldn't be applauding Nintendo for this cause it's NOT in your interest.



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