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Night in the Woods Dev commits suicide in light of accusations against him.

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JRPGfan said:
JWeinCom said:

No, let's not turn it around.  Because what you said is that the accuser ALWAYS has the burden of proof.  I am not accusing anyone of anything, so I have no burden of proof to meet.

You are the accuser.  By your own standard you have the burden of proof.  Can you meet that burden?

How the hell do I prove she lied?

I can tell you that she has been said to "fake harrasment"  before for attention (victim card)

She has a history of lying and makeing things up for attention.

She makes her liveing off of it.

watch this ''GAMERGATE''! Zoe Quinn the Fake Victim:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=KOtjR2GWQLQ

I have no idea how you can prove she lied.  But that's not my problem.  You said that the burden of proof lies with the accuser.  That's you. 

So, are you wrong in accusing her, or are you wrong in saying that the accuser always has a burden of proof?  Because you have to be wrong in one of those areas.



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JRPGfan said:
JWeinCom said:

Since everything you said is an irrelevant strawman, I am going to ignore it.  Let me quote you again.

"Burden of proof is ALWAYs with the person accusing another."

Note that you chose to capitalize the word always.

If burden of proof is ALWAYS with the person accusing another, then don't you bear a burden of proof as you are accusing someone of libel and manslaughter?

This isn't warped logic, it's consistency.

Lets turn it around then... do you believe this man would be dead right now, if she didnt tweet that tweet of hers?

Would Epstein have commited suicide if police didn't arrest him.?

People have commited suicide over loosing a job, should it be mandatory for all employers  to keep on employee's perpetually incase it negatively effects their mental health? Or what about partners who threaten suicide if another leaves them?

You're really not onto any point here, I don't know why I even bothered responding to such backwards logic



I ll just stay out of this discussion from now on, please dont quote me anymore ect.

This issue is kinda personal for me.... I had a brother he suffered from depression and mental health issues, who also took his own life.
He had a bad day and a arguement and that as apparently all it took.

I will say that I rather dispise people that make accusations on social media, instead of going to the police.
If you dont want to report a crime to the police, dont accuse others of it.

the end.



I think the past few years have taught us we'd best reserve judgement until all cards are on the table or until a legal verdict is made.
As for his suicide, I wish his family and loved ones all the strength they need to shoulder their grief.



This is just plain horrible.

Nothing good ever comes of suicide. I still don't understand why something so horrible even exists. -_-



Some days I just blow up.

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CaptainExplosion said:
This is just plain horrible.

Nothing good ever comes of suicide. I still don't understand why something so horrible even exists. -_-

I dunno.  If your life is unbearable, then the pain ends.  That could be considered a good thing.



JRPGfan said:
I ll just stay out of this discussion from now on, please dont quote me anymore ect.

This issue is kinda personal for me.... I had a brother he suffered from depression and mental health issues, who also took his own life.
He had a bad day and a arguement and that as apparently all it took.

I will say that I rather dispise people that make accusations on social media, instead of going to the police.
If you dont want to report a crime to the police, dont accuse others of it.

the end.

Lets not forget his sister was IMO the thing , the last straw that made him decide , i sure would not be ok if my own brother participated in the internet mob that ruined my career and my life.

There is a lot more to this story than what is in this thread and what we know, connections and bias in the gaming mediaand other nasty stuff, now they blame youtubers for profiting on the guys death, hypocrisie when , if not for some youtubers trying to find the truth and dig up a little these gaming leeches, this pathetic gaming press would fuck people lives left and right. They all rush to ruin someone lifes, remember projared? Andy Signore? That talking death guy. Fuck these people that use internet to ruin others.

What we know FOR SURE , is that ZOE does nothing for the gaming community, made a shit game in the past years ago, had a patreon for a game that does not get an update for over a year yet gets patreon to make a good living doing nothing. Guess what the money form the game was spent, the other patreon was dying and money was disapearing. Great timing no? So lets create a controversy AGAIN, to try to get hate again, blame gamergate again , get internet clout , get the sweet spotlight again and the money will start coming in. Gaming press ofcourse helped and the usual group we all know well helped also , these indie devs that dont make anything but are always on the spotlight. But the dude killed himself, she was not ready for it and now shit will go down, she locked her twitter acount and hide , then people realize she was almost broke on patreon and she hide earning too.

She lied in the past and she said she had forgiven the dude, but when she start to get some bad press because of the failed game that she use all money and when people finds she broke she decides to talk.

If people want to know how these intenet mobs work just see the dave chapelle news and vic broly voice actor, its fascinating how shit people is online.



 

Suicide is not an admission of guilt. Everyone has a different mental makeup. I have seen Military guys comeback from tours phycologically ruined, other return to a normal life fine. I have seen people commit suicide over financial hardships and I have seen many who just go on even if left on the street. There are different mental issues or underlying illnesses than can flare up during stressful events. Allegations of that kind would mentally screw up anyone even if innocent because your reputation just took an almost irreparable hit and your professional career might be done. We need to stop judging individuals, especially those that can no longer defend themselves.



I happen to notice that the noise about 'rape culture' disappeared when Weinstein and Epstein (actual rape culture) got into the news.



Mr Puggsly said:
JRPGfan said:

"accusations were made against the guy and he committed suicide within 24 hours of it, the action suggests guilt"

No it doesnt.

Firstly they where a couple liveing together.
He admited to locking her in a bathroom.

She accussed him of rape, something he has never admitted too.

Hes innocent until proven guilty.
However social media doesnt work that way..... everyone mobbed him. 
He lost his job, and his reputation was ruined.

This was a man suffering from severe depression.
His ONLY reason for liveing, was makeing games..... she took that from him with her accusation.

Imo she should be charged with manslaughter.
She even says, it was years and years ago, and she has "forgiven him" and doesnt plan to press charges.
Yet she didnt consider how damning her words would be? give me a break.

If you dont have curage enough to file a police report, you shouldnt be accuseing people of rape.
Esp not ones that are already suicidal, and have mental depressions.

Manslaughter? I dunno about that.

But if you forgive someone, then you gotta shut the fuck up. "I forgive you, but now I'm gonna destroy you."

I think the real problem is the industry and the internet mob looking for villains. That's what gives all accusations power and doesn't even allow people to repent or whatever.

Yeah, the internet mob is the problem. We have no means whatsoever to ever really obtain the truth. For that we have courts of law, and even them have difficulties to get to the core truth. But an internet mob, an employer, a news outlet has not nearly the same principles that make the finding of the truth in a court more likely. That is why I consider such stuff just as a pure rumor: maybe true, maybe not, maybe something else. I have no means to know better.

And this mean an internet outrage over such accusations shouldn't destroy anyone. If the accusations have substance the person can be judged in court and the courts of law also serve punishment if appropriate. But punishment based on internet uproar is wrong.



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