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Barozi on 02 September 2019
Ganoncrotch said:
Whoa I posted this and headed to bed, please note in my OP (which was written quite late but still perfectly states) "the action suggests guilt" I'm not saying in the slightest that what he done was an admission of guilt, just that it looks bad when someone does that when a crime is suggested because it looks as though they might be guilty. It's like here in my town there was a woman (61) in a hospital who said that a doctor had done stuff to her while she was under his care... the hospital released a statement about it right away and tried to get in contact with the doctor... but by the end of the day he had left the country rather than make a statement. He never fought any of that charge, never returned. Now in your eyes... is his running a suggestion of guilt? Of course it is. It's never an admission of guilt those things are completely separate but it always looks bad when the accused party runs in one way or another. (I was gonna link to those stories here as to the verdict reached in 2018 as the incident happened in 2016 but I don't think they're needed, if anyone wants a read just poke me for a pm of what went on, citations are available)

But I'm well aware that he wasn't a perfectly stable person like I said the design of a title like night in the woods was so close to perfect in terms of mental health issues that people would suffer that it genuinely feels like a game not created in a boardroom by people reading the dictionary.com definition of feelings of depression, guilt, worthlessness and so on... those feelings your character feels in that game are far too close to the point to be from someone who hasn't been there in some capacity.

Zoe Quinn btw I have no idea who that is in relation to this, last time I heard a name like that was when a group of people who spent their time at college on gender studies degrees were making bank on how mistreated Princess Peach was at the hands of Mario her oppressor. That is to say I hold zero stock in anything that person says or does because I have her filed under "idiot" in my head.

I fully agree. Lots of people really need to work on their reading comprehension...
It certainly looks like he's guilty. It doesn't mean that he is based on his action.



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JRPGfan on 02 September 2019
Ganoncrotch said:

https://ie.ign.com/articles/2019/08/31/night-in-the-woods-developer-accused-of-sexual-assault-dies

I haven't read the complete in's and outs of this (apparently it stirred up a shit storm on reddit over it) but this is a pretty tragic thing, accusations were made against the guy and he committed suicide within 24 hours of it, the action suggests guilt and also just playing through night in the woods it's fairly clear that the person behind some of that thinking wasn't quite in a perfect state of mind because I don't think you can come up with some of those thoughts without being slightly off balance.

Still though a shame from a games world point of view as well because if you haven't played the game "Night in the Woods" is a really fantastic game and story and one of the very few games where there is literally no combat in it whatsoever not even puzzle based combat, it's just story and puzzles.

This person wasn't the only one behind that game of course, still though I'm just going to put my feelings on suicide for any reason on here... there is no going back from the choice to do that, you can get help all the way up until the point where you down a handful of paracetamol or w/e once you do that there is nothing someone can do for you but make a sad post on a forum... or facebook. There is nothing wrong with asking for help, be it therapy, legal help... anything, if you are ever in a position where you consider this action, talk to someone.

"accusations were made against the guy and he committed suicide within 24 hours of it, the action suggests guilt"

No it doesnt.

Firstly they where a couple liveing together.
He admited to locking her in a bathroom.

She accussed him of rape, something he has never admitted too.

Hes innocent until proven guilty.
However social media doesnt work that way..... everyone mobbed him. 
He lost his job, and his reputation was ruined.

This was a man suffering from severe depression.
His ONLY reason for liveing, was makeing games..... she took that from him with her accusation.

Imo she should be charged with manslaughter.
She even says, it was years and years ago, and she has "forgiven him" and doesnt plan to press charges.
Yet she didnt consider how damning her words would be? give me a break.

If you dont have curage enough to file a police report, you shouldnt be accuseing people of rape.
Esp not ones that are already suicidal, and have mental depressions.

I honestly think this man was innocent.... he lived a life on the edge of commiting suicide (servere depression).
She pushed him over that edge.

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Mr Puggsly on 02 September 2019
Ganoncrotch said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Then justice is served.

We just have to hope he really was a monster.

It's not really justice for the crime though, don't think there is anywhere that even if the accusation was true would have death penalty for what he was said to have done.

Taking away the gift of life from someone (yourself included) is one of the worst things any person can do, all the time and energy spent in that life from conception, through education, food and care from their peers and adults.... to end it all by choice is just such a devastating waste of life. (imo of course, I know there are countries now which allow assisted suicide under certain conditions, I'm just putting out my feelings on the subject)

I was joking.

Maybe he was a huge asshole, he likely had his career ruined because of it. Now he's dead, such is life.

Are people just the worst things they've done? Some say yes!



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JRPGfan on 02 September 2019
Barozi said:
Ganoncrotch said:
Whoa I posted this and headed to bed, please note in my OP (which was written quite late but still perfectly states) "the action suggests guilt" I'm not saying in the slightest that what he done was an admission of guilt, just that it looks bad when someone does that when a crime is suggested because it looks as though they might be guilty. It's like here in my town there was a woman (61) in a hospital who said that a doctor had done stuff to her while she was under his care... the hospital released a statement about it right away and tried to get in contact with the doctor... but by the end of the day he had left the country rather than make a statement. He never fought any of that charge, never returned. Now in your eyes... is his running a suggestion of guilt? Of course it is. It's never an admission of guilt those things are completely separate but it always looks bad when the accused party runs in one way or another. (I was gonna link to those stories here as to the verdict reached in 2018 as the incident happened in 2016 but I don't think they're needed, if anyone wants a read just poke me for a pm of what went on, citations are available)

But I'm well aware that he wasn't a perfectly stable person like I said the design of a title like night in the woods was so close to perfect in terms of mental health issues that people would suffer that it genuinely feels like a game not created in a boardroom by people reading the dictionary.com definition of feelings of depression, guilt, worthlessness and so on... those feelings your character feels in that game are far too close to the point to be from someone who hasn't been there in some capacity.

Zoe Quinn btw I have no idea who that is in relation to this, last time I heard a name like that was when a group of people who spent their time at college on gender studies degrees were making bank on how mistreated Princess Peach was at the hands of Mario her oppressor. That is to say I hold zero stock in anything that person says or does because I have her filed under "idiot" in my head.

I fully agree. Lots of people really need to work on their reading comprehension...
It certainly looks like he's guilty. It doesn't mean that he is based on his action.

What if you know that he has mental issues, and servere depression?
He's lived all his life with this, and has probably also attempted suicide before?

His joy in life was makeing video games, his job, his one reason for liveing.
Her accusation got him fired, and ruined his reputation.

Then theres the social media, mobbing.... ... "go kill yourself" was probably uttered many a times to him,
someone who was already suicidal before all this.

It doesnt look guility, people need to stop blameing others without proof.



Mr Puggsly on 02 September 2019
JRPGfan said:
Ganoncrotch said:

https://ie.ign.com/articles/2019/08/31/night-in-the-woods-developer-accused-of-sexual-assault-dies

I haven't read the complete in's and outs of this (apparently it stirred up a shit storm on reddit over it) but this is a pretty tragic thing, accusations were made against the guy and he committed suicide within 24 hours of it, the action suggests guilt and also just playing through night in the woods it's fairly clear that the person behind some of that thinking wasn't quite in a perfect state of mind because I don't think you can come up with some of those thoughts without being slightly off balance.

Still though a shame from a games world point of view as well because if you haven't played the game "Night in the Woods" is a really fantastic game and story and one of the very few games where there is literally no combat in it whatsoever not even puzzle based combat, it's just story and puzzles.

This person wasn't the only one behind that game of course, still though I'm just going to put my feelings on suicide for any reason on here... there is no going back from the choice to do that, you can get help all the way up until the point where you down a handful of paracetamol or w/e once you do that there is nothing someone can do for you but make a sad post on a forum... or facebook. There is nothing wrong with asking for help, be it therapy, legal help... anything, if you are ever in a position where you consider this action, talk to someone.

"accusations were made against the guy and he committed suicide within 24 hours of it, the action suggests guilt"

No it doesnt.

Firstly they where a couple liveing together.
He admited to locking her in a bathroom.

She accussed him of rape, something he has never admitted too.

Hes innocent until proven guilty.
However social media doesnt work that way..... everyone mobbed him. 
He lost his job, and his reputation was ruined.

This was a man suffering from severe depression.
His ONLY reason for liveing, was makeing games..... she took that from him with her accusation.

Imo she should be charged with manslaughter.
She even says, it was years and years ago, and she has "forgiven him" and doesnt plan to press charges.
Yet she didnt consider how damning her words would be? give me a break.

If you dont have curage enough to file a police report, you shouldnt be accuseing people of rape.
Esp not ones that are already suicidal, and have mental depressions.

Manslaughter? I dunno about that.

But if you forgive someone, then you gotta shut the fuck up. "I forgive you, but now I'm gonna destroy you."

I think the real problem is the industry and the internet mob looking for villains. That's what gives all accusations power and doesn't even allow people to repent or whatever.



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Barozi on 02 September 2019
JRPGfan said:
Barozi said:

I fully agree. Lots of people really need to work on their reading comprehension...
It certainly looks like he's guilty. It doesn't mean that he is based on his action.

What if you know that he has mental issues, and servere depression?
He's lived all his life with this, and has probably also attempted suicide before?

His joy in life was makeing video games, his job, his one reason for liveing.
Her accusation got him fired, and ruined his reputation.

Then theres the social media, mobbing.... ... "go kill yourself" was probably uttered many a times to him, someone who was already suicidal before all this.

It doesnt look guility, people need to stop blameing others without proof.

I'm blaming nobody. I'm just stating the obvious. A person is accused of doing something illegal, commits suicide shortly after. Result: it might seem as if there was some kind of guilt involved. That's all. That can change of course, once you get better info of his background etc.

But I mean where's your proof that the girl is lying? After all you already came to the conclusion that the man is innocent. Case closed without even the hearing of evidence? Seems a little premature.



JRPGfan on 02 September 2019
Barozi said:
JRPGfan said:

What if you know that he has mental issues, and servere depression?
He's lived all his life with this, and has probably also attempted suicide before?

His joy in life was makeing video games, his job, his one reason for liveing.
Her accusation got him fired, and ruined his reputation.

Then theres the social media, mobbing.... ... "go kill yourself" was probably uttered many a times to him, someone who was already suicidal before all this.

It doesnt look guility, people need to stop blameing others without proof.

I'm blaming nobody. I'm just stating the obvious. A person is accused of doing something illegal, commits suicide shortly after. Result: it might seem as if there was some kind of guilt involved. That's all. That can change of course, once you get better info of his background etc.

But I mean where's your proof that the girl is lying? After all you already came to the conclusion that the man is innocent. Case closed without even the hearing of evidence? Seems a little premature.

Burden of proof is ALWAYs with the person accusing another.
But yes Im assumeing she actually did make it up.

(she has no proof, she lied before, and she is quick to call out anyone for anything all her life.... but when she actually got raped she waited years and years? This goes against the way she normally acts. I think this is a media stunt, to get some lime light... a "white lie" that killed a man)

Shes been in the media headlights before, and seemed to enjoy the attention for such drama.
If her ex-boy friend didnt commite suicide, Im sure she would be basking in it right now, takeing paid interviews and whatnot.

My view is she pushed a innocent man to commit suicide.

We live in a world, where a Tweet with a accusation can kill a man.
The online bullying on social media,....  Is it manslaughter? she probably wont get convicted for it.. but she likely killed this man.

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Otter on 02 September 2019
 
JRPGfan said:

Firstly they where a couple liveing together.
He admited to locking her in a bathroom.

She accussed him of rape, something he has never admitted too.

Hes innocent until proven guilty.
However social media doesnt work that way..... everyone mobbed him. 
He lost his job, and his reputation was ruined.

This was a man suffering from severe depression.
His ONLY reason for liveing, was makeing games..... she took that from him with her accusation.

Imo she should be charged with manslaughter.
She even says, it was years and years ago, and she has "forgiven him" and doesnt plan to press charges.
Yet she didnt consider how damning her words would be? give me a break.

If you dont have curage enough to file a police report, you shouldnt be accuseing people of rape.
Esp not ones that are already suicidal, and have mental depressions.

He literally admitted to domestic abuse & that was the summary of Zoe's post. She discussed in depths an abusive relationship, you have to be kidding if you think that he wouldn't of faced the exact same backlash if she simply omitted the part about rape. 

What some of you are missing is that taking things to court & to the police still ends up in a public fallout. The idea that she should be trialed for man slaughter for posting her account of an abusive relationship is ridiculous. And if he committed suicide during court proceedings than the judge should go to prison too I guess?

Or maybe you'd think its appropriate to shift blame to his teammates who cut ties with him over "allegations", although none of us know the discussion & understanding that exists between them

"Seriously, what you see on twitter isn't representative of real life. It's just what makes it into posts. When people who have years-long real life experience with the guy, people who knew him in different situations, locations, ages, and contexts, all say the same thing, you can assume there's more to this than you'd know from outside the situation, taking it in 280 characters at a time."

The situation is a mess and many of you are oversimplifying it, essentially saying never accuse anyone of anything incase they commit suicide, if they do, its blood on your hands. Many are also asserting why he committed suicide as if you spoke to him the days before his death. Maybe it was the loss of his job,  but maybe it was shame, guilt, fear etc. We will never know. I'm sure plenty can be learned from the way it was handled but to start shifting blame on individuals as if they're responsible for his actions is absurd. 


Last edited by Otter - on 02 September 2019

JRPGfan on 02 September 2019
Otter said:
 
JRPGfan said:

Firstly they where a couple liveing together.
He admited to locking her in a bathroom.

She accussed him of rape, something he has never admitted too.

Hes innocent until proven guilty.
However social media doesnt work that way..... everyone mobbed him. 
He lost his job, and his reputation was ruined.

This was a man suffering from severe depression.
His ONLY reason for liveing, was makeing games..... she took that from him with her accusation.

Imo she should be charged with manslaughter.
She even says, it was years and years ago, and she has "forgiven him" and doesnt plan to press charges.
Yet she didnt consider how damning her words would be? give me a break.

If you dont have curage enough to file a police report, you shouldnt be accuseing people of rape.
Esp not ones that are already suicidal, and have mental depressions.

He literally admitted to domestic abuse & that was the summary of Zoe's post. She discussed in depths an abusive relationship, you have to be kidding if you think that he wouldn't of faced the exact same backlash if she simply omitted the part about rape. 

What some of you are missing is that taking things to court & to the police still ends up in a public fallout. The idea that she should be trialed for man slaughter for posting her account of an abusive relationship is ridiculous. And if he committed suicide during court proceedings than the judge should go to prison too I guess?

Or maybe you'd think its appropriate to shift blame to his teammates who cut ties with him over "allegations", although none of us know the discussion & understanding that exists between them

"Seriously, what you see on twitter isn't representative of real life. It's just what makes it into posts. When people who have years-long real life experience with the guy, people who knew him in different situations, locations, ages, and contexts, all say the same thing, you can assume there's more to this than you'd know from outside the situation, taking it in 280 characters at a time."

The situation is a mess and many of you are oversimplifying it, essentially saying never accuse anyone of anything incase they commit suicide, if they do, its blood on your hands. Many are also asserting why he committed suicide as if you spoke to him the days before his death. Maybe it was the loss of his job,  but maybe it was shame, guilt, fear etc. We will never know. I'm sure plenty can be learned from the way it was handled but to start shifting blame on individuals as if they're responsible for his actions is absurd. 

Zoe Quinn has Makes a liveing off of playing the victim card.
She over-exagerates and lies.... to gain sympathy points.

How else does she stay the limelight?
Oh I just remember... 10years ago I was raped too.

Its out of character for her, she litterly calls out people for nothing.
Shes not shy about doing so either.

Shes a game developer, that doesnt make any games.
She makes her liveing off of others sympathy and donations/paetron, paid interviews, and consultation fee's (the feminist viewpoints).

That tweet was to gain back limelight.
Nothing else, she says shes long forgiven him..... and has no plans to press any charges.

Then why do the tweet? when it was already publically known they had a abuse and such in their relation?
She did that on purpose to regain some limelight.

It got a man fired, mobbed, and killed.
(forgiven? nah she knew what she was doing, she pushed a mentally unstable, suecidal person over the edge, for money)



JWeinCom on 02 September 2019
JRPGfan said:
Barozi said:

I'm blaming nobody. I'm just stating the obvious. A person is accused of doing something illegal, commits suicide shortly after. Result: it might seem as if there was some kind of guilt involved. That's all. That can change of course, once you get better info of his background etc.

But I mean where's your proof that the girl is lying? After all you already came to the conclusion that the man is innocent. Case closed without even the hearing of evidence? Seems a little premature.

Burden of proof is ALWAYs with the person accusing another.
But yes Im assumeing she actually did make it up.

(she has no proof, she lied before, and she is quick to call out anyone for anything all her life.... but when she actually got raped she waited years and years? This goes against the way she normally acts. I think this is a media stunt, to get some lime light... a "white lie" that killed a man)

Shes been in the media headlights before, and seemed to enjoy the attention for such drama.
If her ex-boy friend didnt commite suicide, Im sure she would be basking in it right now, takeing paid interviews and whatnot.

My view is she pushed a innocent man to commit suicide.

We live in a world, where a Tweet with a accusation can kill a man.
The online bullying on social media,....  Is it manslaughter? she probably wont get convicted for it.. but she likely killed this man.

Burden of proof is with the person accusing another eh..?

So, then you assume the burden of proof since you're accusing her of lying.  Do you have any?  And no, what you put in parenthesis does not count as evidence of any kind.