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Forums - Politics Discussion - Right-Wing Star Andy Ngo Exits Quillette After Damning Video Surfaces

Machiavellian on 29 August 2019
o_O.Q said:
Machiavellian said:
So at the end of the day, Mr Ngo was exactly what I thought he was. As I stated in that other thread, Mr Ngo walked into the mass of Antifa protesters looking for that beating and of course since things had escalated before that event, they gave him exactly what he wanted, desired and was ready to film. As I stated also it appeared Mr. Ngo was looking to take that beating for the team and here we are seeing that is exactly what happen. I give Mr. Ngo props, he baited Antifa and got what he wanted which resulted in his world tour on all the networks and media sites. He gave Antifa even more negative media attention which then allow other groups to bait them into open violence for even more negative press. He executed his plan well and really only received minor injuries for his cause. Oh well, I wonder what his next gig will be.

"he baited Antifa and got what he wanted which resulted in his world tour on all the networks and media sites. He gave Antifa even more negative media attention which then allow other groups to bait them into open violence for even more negative press. "

and yet there's hardly any negative press for antifa

I wonder why?

I guess you missed it since you were too busy trying to defend this guy.  What did you expect, him getting a medal.  Either way, he was just another player.  Maybe if he was white he could have gotten better coverage.  Hell, if he was a white blond woman then he definitely would have gotten better coverage.  Maybe he should dress as a blond white woman the next time.



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Vinther1991 on 29 August 2019
TonsofPuppies said:
Torillian said:

Yes, in what ways is the far left more insidious and less up front than the far right?

Well, look at what each group controls, right? The alt-right basically controls nothing. They are a small, largely insignificant group of people, relative to the population. I'm talking about the actual alt-right, not the new left's definition of alt-right (ANYONE who disagrees with ANY of their political ideologies). Now when it comes to the left, what do they control? They certainly control the universities at this point. By controlling academia, you control the minds / behaviours of the next generation of adults in the West. The media is largely far left-leaning these days. The biggest one of all though would be Big Tech. ALL of the major tech platforms like Google, Twitter, Twitch, Facebook, YouTube, etc. are all far left. Twitter, for example is very selective with enforcing their own ToS and clearly favours people with liberal agendas and Google / YouTube deliberately alter their search algorithms in order to prop up liberal content. This is a huge problem, because the internet has become such an invasive, necessary part of modern society's life and very few people know what's actually happening behind the scenes.

Neither of the tech companies you mention are left wing, neither was Obama. Pushing neo-liberal free market economy is not left wing. That is right-wing. 



o_O.Q on 29 August 2019
morenoingrato said:
sethnintendo said:
Ngo... Wtf. That isn't a last name. Give this guy some vowels.

Ah. Mocking a Vietnamese name. Very creative.

its odd how you criticise him for that but not the people seeking to justify andy getting beat up isn't it?

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o_O.Q on 29 August 2019
Machiavellian said:
o_O.Q said:

"he baited Antifa and got what he wanted which resulted in his world tour on all the networks and media sites. He gave Antifa even more negative media attention which then allow other groups to bait them into open violence for even more negative press. "

and yet there's hardly any negative press for antifa

I wonder why?

I guess you missed it since you were too busy trying to defend this guy.  What did you expect, him getting a medal.  Either way, he was just another player.  Maybe if he was white he could have gotten better coverage.  Hell, if he was a white blond woman then he definitely would have gotten better coverage.  Maybe he should dress as a blond white woman the next time.

trying to defend him? I simply said that the violence he experienced was reprehensible and anyone with sense should agree with that I would think

why do you disagree with my position?



o_O.Q on 29 August 2019
Vinther1991 said:
TonsofPuppies said:

Well, look at what each group controls, right? The alt-right basically controls nothing. They are a small, largely insignificant group of people, relative to the population. I'm talking about the actual alt-right, not the new left's definition of alt-right (ANYONE who disagrees with ANY of their political ideologies). Now when it comes to the left, what do they control? They certainly control the universities at this point. By controlling academia, you control the minds / behaviours of the next generation of adults in the West. The media is largely far left-leaning these days. The biggest one of all though would be Big Tech. ALL of the major tech platforms like Google, Twitter, Twitch, Facebook, YouTube, etc. are all far left. Twitter, for example is very selective with enforcing their own ToS and clearly favours people with liberal agendas and Google / YouTube deliberately alter their search algorithms in order to prop up liberal content. This is a huge problem, because the internet has become such an invasive, necessary part of modern society's life and very few people know what's actually happening behind the scenes.

Neither of the tech companies you mention are left wing, neither was Obama. Pushing neo-liberal free market economy is not left wing. That is right-wing. 

so someone can only be left wing when they push collective ownership of the means of production?

are you in favour of socialism? if so why?



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Moren on 29 August 2019
o_O.Q said:
morenoingrato said:

Ah. Mocking a Vietnamese name. Very creative.

its odd how you criticise him for that but not the people seeking to justify andy getting beat up isn't it?

Yep. I wholeheartedly agree.



sundin13 on 29 August 2019

Wow, who could have predicted this?!

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Its almost like every sign was pointing to the fact that he was a propagandist for hate groups. Like, assuming Quillette actually fired him, good on them and all, but they knew what was going down. Everybody knew what was going down. This isn't news, but I suppose it is too much for all the people insisting that he was just a good and honest journalist and not a grifter.

But alas...



TonsofPuppies on 29 August 2019
Vinther1991 said:
TonsofPuppies said:

Well, look at what each group controls, right? The alt-right basically controls nothing. They are a small, largely insignificant group of people, relative to the population. I'm talking about the actual alt-right, not the new left's definition of alt-right (ANYONE who disagrees with ANY of their political ideologies). Now when it comes to the left, what do they control? They certainly control the universities at this point. By controlling academia, you control the minds / behaviours of the next generation of adults in the West. The media is largely far left-leaning these days. The biggest one of all though would be Big Tech. ALL of the major tech platforms like Google, Twitter, Twitch, Facebook, YouTube, etc. are all far left. Twitter, for example is very selective with enforcing their own ToS and clearly favours people with liberal agendas and Google / YouTube deliberately alter their search algorithms in order to prop up liberal content. This is a huge problem, because the internet has become such an invasive, necessary part of modern society's life and very few people know what's actually happening behind the scenes.

Neither of the tech companies you mention are left wing, neither was Obama. Pushing neo-liberal free market economy is not left wing. That is right-wing. 

I would love an explanation of how Obama wasn't "left wing". Google openly admits themselves that they favour left wing identity politics. So while I understand what you're getting at by pointing out that they are a capitalist business, the way in which their search algorithms work are very pro-liberal (by their own admissions).



o_O.Q on 29 August 2019
SpokenTruth said:
o_O.Q said:

"I have yet to hear from an antifa extremist to commit mass murder in a nazi concert, or any concert for that matter. Yet mass murder committed by the right seems to flourish."

1). a sensible way to view the world of course, all of the bad people are in that group over yonder that I disagree with, if we could just deal with them somehow the world would be perfect because my people are good and just

2). never mind that antifa have communist ideology at their core, an ideology that is responsible for the deaths of millions upon millions of people in the 20th century

1). AntiFa is a reaction to those on the alt-right.  So if the far alt-right bad actors didn't exist, neither would AntiFa.  But the opposite cannot be said.  The far alt-right does not exist because of AntiFa.  And if AntiFa didn't exist, the far alt-right still would.  But you refuse to understand this dynamic.

2). This proves you have little understanding of AntiFa itself.  While some people who associate themselves with being AntiFa have communist ideologies, it's certainly not a core ideology of the whole. They range from simply being left of center (the US version of left of center that is) to anarchists to social democrats to liberals to even conservatives who do not agree with the white supremacy values of the far alt-right.

"AntiFa is a reaction to those on the alt-right."

so why did they help the alt right by beating up a gay asian?

we have videos of antifa beating black people, mexicans, gay people etc etc etc... I thought these were protected classes antifa are trying to save?

its almost like that's complete bullshit to justify their violence

"But the opposite cannot be said.  The far alt-right does not exist because of AntiFa."

up until like 2016 or so I had never heard of the alt right, can you guess why?

its because it was a newly manifested label to give idiots something to fear and agitate against

and people on both sides being the ever willing sheep, are allowing themselves to be corralled never thinking to look for the sheep dog and the shepherd

"who do not agree with the white supremacy values of the far alt-right."

I counted 2 black people, at least 2 women and andy ngo is a gay asian man... so obviously one must ask... what is going on here?

"But you refuse to understand this dynamic."

I understand what is going on far more than you ever will I can assure you

"While some people who associate themselves with being AntiFa have communist ideologies, it's certainly not a core ideology of the whole."

well come on lets be reasonable here, they also claim to be trying to stop fascism, racism, sexism etc etc etc

but they beat up a gay asian man because he dared to stand next to them

"They range from simply being left of center (the US version of left of center that is) to anarchists to social democrats to liberals to even conservatives"

so you're claiming that antifa is not a far left group? am I understanding you correctly?



sundin13 on 29 August 2019

Real quick, I want to address the question: If they are white supremacists or white nationalists (or whatever you wish to call them), why are they allied with an Asian man?

I'd say the primary reason is simply "The ends justify the means". If an Asian man helps you achieve your goals, he is an ally right until the point where he isn't. Often, diversity strengthens a voice. It gives them a surface level defense against criticism and to some degree, we see an effect similar to what you see in the "Why I Left the Left" type posts. If you can get a Muslim (or ex-Muslim) to say "Yeah, Muslims are fucked up" than all of the sudden you have a useful weapon to further your anti-Muslim agenda. If you can get a minority to embrace your White Supremacist talking points, you now have a powerful weapon. The demographics of some sparse allies aren't really what is important. What is important is what these individuals are saying and how that contributes to the overall message.

Further, these far right groups don't really have one large shared ideology. There are a lot of smaller beliefs buried within there. Some advocate specifically for a white ethnostate, others speak about the preservation of "Western Culture", others are just anti-immigrant, or anti-certain demographic groups (Middle Eastern, African, Hispanic, etc). Many of these groups have moved away from simply "We hate non-whites" and taken up more PR friendly positions. One of the interesting things about how the internet has changed white supremacy is it has become much more PC (ironically). It has centered much more around putting sugar on racism to make it look less like racism, while still being totally racism to catch those who are just flirting with racism so they can court them on their terms. A lot of this involves convincing people that it isn't about racism. It is about saying "I'm totally not against Muslims or people from the Middle East, I am just against extremists" publicly, but as soon as you are in private, the rhetoric turns into "Fuck all Muslims".

Overall, there are a lot of reasons why White Supremacist and generally far right groups would ally with an Asian man, and a lot of them involve getting you to ask the question "If they are really white supremacists, why are they allied with an Asian man?" so I'm sure they are real happy that question is being asked.