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pokoko said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

Wtf? So his crime is he DIDN'T report on something..? Am I missing something here? Am I the crazy one??

Just so I have this straight, you're saying that you don't have a problem with a journalist hearing plans for violence and not reporting on them?  That's absolutely fine with you?

If it's proven these guys were plotting an attack on innocence and Andy heard this and knowingly kept it quiet then - no I'm not saying that's ok either. But neither is beating somebody up for political reasons - and possibly giving permanent brain damage in the process.. You know, the violent act that actually DID occur? Meanwhile, many seem to be ok with THAT.. 

I mean.. I feel like if you submit that a conspiracy to cover up or fail to report on a violent act is wrong (which yes, I agree it is).. Why then is an ACTUAL act of violence ok?? Just b/c it's the far left carrying out the act rather than the far right? Bs!

And Klantifa wouldn't have even known about this at the time they were bashing in Andy's skull anyway, right? As far as they knew he was just a reporter filming the scene.. 

Maybe it's just b/c I'm pretty center-left on the left right spectrum that to MY eyes political violence = political violence. Period. Doesn't freaking matter what tribe you belong to. It should ALL be shunned.



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DarthMetalliCube said:

Wtf? So his crime is he DIDN'T report on something..? Am I missing something here? Am I the crazy one??

I don't know anything about this "Patriot's Prayer" but I DO know that it's not fucking ok for a journalist to get beat up because his politics are different than yours. And yes - Quilette verified that Andy IS (or at least WAS), in fact, an editor for the publication and that they're of a CENTER LEFT persuasion. Not that that should matter.. It's just that the modern left has gone so far off the deep end that center-left = far right to them now (because relatively speaking on the political compass, it's technically true from where they stand!)

Jesus christ, the mental gymnastics some people go through to convince themselves this shit flies..

I love the excuse of "he had it coming" or "GOT HIMSELF beat up," rather than placing blame on the people who ACTUALLY beat this man up, as if they're little children or somehow can't control their own psychotic tantrums. Doesn't sound unlike the excuses a rapist uses! "ehhh she had it comin'!"

Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised, given the utter lack of accountability/responsibility anymore, especially in the US.. Everything I do that's bad "isn't my fault! It's this guy's fault!"

I swear, we've completely devolved into savages and spoiled children. It's frightening...

you missed the part where people in this thread are saying he should be in jail and deserved to get beat up... again

am I in some fucking bizarro universe right now?



Bandorr said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/andy-ngo-who-became-a-right-wing-star-leaves-quillette-after-incriminating-video-appears

The conservative op-ed website Quillette announced Monday night that controversial right-wing writer Andy Ngo is leaving his job as an editor at the site, an announcement that comes on the same day that a Portland newspaper published a story revealing that Ngo witnessed a far-right group planning violence but never reported it. 

--

The Portland article is fairly long, but also a good read. It is about an anonymous(for now) person who infiltrated one of the more aggressive Right-wring groups that have been causing trouble in Oregon.

Long story short "Ben" acted as a spy. He recorded many things, and warned people about on going activities.

Including conversations between the "Patriot Prayer" and Andy Ngo.

For example: "Ben says Ngo doesn’t film Patriot Prayer protesters discussing strategies or motives. He only turns his camera on when members of antifa enter the scene. “There’s an understanding,” he says, “that Patriot Prayer protects him and he protects them.” "

After this article came out Andy Ngo changed his "twitter profile" while at the same time the website Quillette dropped him from website.

"Quillette editor-in-chief Claire Lehmann insisted in emails to The Daily Beast that Ngo’s exit had nothing to do with the Portland Mercury story or the undercover footage that began to circulate on Twitter last week, saying instead that Ngo left the site weeks earlier but that the move was only made public on Monday. "

Although they offered no reason for the amazing coincidence that it just happened to be announced the same day a damning article came out.

-- I remembered Ngo being discussed in some political thread. And instead of dragging it up I decided to paste it here.  People claiming he is a journalist, instead he was a right-wing coward looking only to stir shit up.

"I remembered Ngo being discussed in some political thread. And instead of dragging it up I decided to paste it here.  People claiming he is a journalist, instead he was a right-wing coward looking only to stir shit up."

being right wing is not exclusive to being a journalist... you do understand that right?

and the issue people had in my thread for the most part was the disgusting dismissal of the violence he experienced as not being a problem



vivster said:
That's the guy who purposefully got himself beat up, right? We already knew long ago that he is a supporter of far right groups, so why is this news? He should be in jail for his right wing propaganda and hate speech but fat chance in that country.

"He should be in jail for his right wing propaganda and hate speech"

elaborate?



pokoko said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

Wtf? So his crime is he DIDN'T report on something..? Am I missing something here? Am I the crazy one??

Just so I have this straight, you're saying that you don't have a problem with a journalist hearing plans for violence and not reporting on them?  That's absolutely fine with you?

they banked on antifa attacking them, they at no point from what I heard had the intention of attacking

does this not indicate that antifa is a more significant problem?

so why up until very recently has the media been ignoring their violence?

CNN and MSNBC for YEARS now have been ignoring how violent antifa has been, to tilt perception of this issue in one direction, what is your opinion on that?



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Jaicee said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

Wtf? So his crime is he DIDN'T report on something..? Am I missing something here? Am I the crazy one??

I don't know anything about this "Patriot's Prayer" but I DO know that it's not fucking ok for a journalist to get beat up because his politics are different than yours. And yes - Quilette verified that Andy IS (or at least WAS), in fact, an editor for the publication and that they're of a CENTER LEFT persuasion. Not that that should matter.. It's just that the modern left has gone so far off the deep end that center-left = far right to them now (because relatively speaking on the political compass, it's technically true from where they stand!)

Jesus christ, the mental gymnastics some people go through to convince themselves this shit flies..

I love the excuse of "he had it coming" or "GOT HIMSELF beat up," rather than placing blame on the people who ACTUALLY beat this man up, as if they're little children or somehow can't control their own psychotic tantrums. Doesn't sound unlike the excuses a rapist uses! "ehhh she had it comin'!"

Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised, given the utter lack of accountability/responsibility anymore, especially in the US.. Everything I do that's bad "isn't my fault! It's this guy's fault!"

I swear, we've completely devolved into savages and spoiled children. It's frightening...

 

I generally prefer not to get in the middle of conflicts concerning mutual political violence that decent human beings shouldn't be engaging in or legitimizing in the first place, but I will say this: while so-called hate speech is itself broadly legal in this country (hence why I'm allowed to speak ), you do have to report crimes when you know about them. That is, in fact, a common sense legal obligation of Americans.

There is a fine line between exercising one's freedom of speech (which is something I unfashionably very much believe in) and knowingly aiding the commission of physical violence toward political aims, much as there is a fine line between criticizing someone and threatening them. Your rights end where those of others begin. I don't believe that there is a natural right to positive vibes and approval like many leftists do today, but I do believe people have the right to be safe from actual attack or direct threats thereof.

"There is a fine line between exercising one's freedom of speech (which is something I unfashionably very much believe in) and knowingly aiding the commission of physical violence toward political aims"

from the video it appears that they banked on antifa attacking them, not on initiating an attack themselves



o_O.Q said:
vivster said:
That's the guy who purposefully got himself beat up, right? We already knew long ago that he is a supporter of far right groups, so why is this news? He should be in jail for his right wing propaganda and hate speech but fat chance in that country.

"He should be in jail for his right wing propaganda and hate speech"

elaborate?

Hmm. Funny how the people who despise fascists act a lot like fascists.

DarthMetalliCube said:
pokoko said:

Just so I have this straight, you're saying that you don't have a problem with a journalist hearing plans for violence and not reporting on them?  That's absolutely fine with you?

If it's proven these guys were plotting an attack on innocence and Andy heard this and knowingly kept it quiet then - no I'm not saying that's ok either. But neither is beating somebody up for political reasons - and possibly giving permanent brain damage in the process.. You know, the violent act that actually DID occur? Meanwhile, many seem to be ok with THAT.. 

I mean.. I feel like if you submit that a conspiracy to cover up or fail to report on a violent act is wrong (which yes, I agree it is).. Why then is an ACTUAL act of violence ok?? Just b/c it's the far left carrying out the act rather than the far right? Bs!

And Klantifa wouldn't have even known about this at the time they were bashing in Andy's skull anyway, right? As far as they knew he was just a reporter filming the scene.. 

Maybe it's just b/c I'm pretty center-left on the left right spectrum that to MY eyes political violence = political violence. Period. Doesn't freaking matter what tribe you belong to. It should ALL be shunned.

Agreed. It seems that the Left is moving so far left that anyone who is Center-Left is viewed as a "far right" neo-nazi. Either you come with them all the way on their decent into communism or you don't come at all. 

I was watching Dave Chapelle's newest comedy special. There were two spots that I found really interesting. One he said he's going to do impressions and the second one he just said, "In 10, 15, 20 years, it doesn't matter when, but I'll find something you did wrong and I'm going to have you ruined or cancelled." He asked the audience who that was and you could hear a bunch of them calling out Trump. Chappelle said, "That's you all." Then he went on to describe the Kevin Hart/Oscars situation and later touched on me too.

The second one was during  a Q&A after his special was over. One guy asked him who he thought was going to win the election in 2020. He said that Trump is a much better chance than a lot of people on his side think, as I'm sure he would be considered center left. He also said that the way his side is talking right now he doesn't think they're going to win.

Unfortunately for many on the left, they can't see any of this because the only thing it seems they can think of is "orange man bad."



thismeintiel said:
o_O.Q said:

"He should be in jail for his right wing propaganda and hate speech"

elaborate?

Hmm. Funny how the people who despise fascists act a lot like fascists.

That's more a cultural difference. In most countries outside of the US, freedom of speech doesn't protect hate speech. Rather, hate speech is considered a criminal or at least a civil offense. Hence why for non-Americans seeing a guy like him instigating and/or provoking violence and verbally harassing other people not getting punished for those deeds is a bit mind boggling.

That's not saying that antifa was right to clobber him, far from it. They should get jailed for the violence they did, and they will. It's just that in most countries, he would have been jailed or at least fined for his part and deeds along with the perpetrators of the physical violence.

Also, like others pointed out, he had information about upcoming or planned violence and didn't publish them or went with them to the police. That is a criminal offense, and not just outside of the US this time around.



Only recently heard about this clown and I must admit, I am not at all surprised this weasel did nothing. Were I a believer in karma I would chalk it up to that, but this is just some good fortune for the world.

Lock him up.



OhNoYouDont said:
Only recently heard about this clown and I must admit, I am not at all surprised this weasel did nothing. Were I a believer in karma I would chalk it up to that, but this is just some good fortune for the world.

Lock him up.

did nothing to stop what?

did you actually watch the video and understand what was said?

or did you just jump to a conclusion because of what you were told to think?