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think-man said:
Shadow1980 said:

So in other words there's actual thought that has to be put into it and not just a bunch of mindless flailing around like in FFXV?

Yeah, you definitely have to think more, and when your character is dead none of that 2nd health bar bs that 15 had. It's either Phoenix Down or they out xD 

FF12 like? FF12 you could stop the action and assign your characters their next action, the gambits allows you to program them to do all that without input but sometimes you needed to change things up, swap characters etc. I'm fine with a FF12 like battle system but would prefer FF7 original vs FF15 press X to kill enemy.



Hmm, pie.

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Chrkeller said:
RaptorChrist said:

I'll try to stay optimistic that they will do it right. It's an RPG, and having it episodic could ruin character progression unless they allow it to transfer over.

As for a 40 hour Midgar, maybe the Don Corneo cross-dressing arc is what they are expanding on to fill the time. Fingers crossed (no pun intended).

I am optimistic as well.  I do believe it has to have character carryover, or it will just be weird.  That will be curious how it is handled with the ps5 coming next year.

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@Barkley:I am not arguing semantics all day.  FFVII was a singular game, the remake isn't.  Call it whatever you want.  It doesn't change how Square is handling the remake.  

So uncharted and many others are episodic as well because they needed more than 1 game to tell the story?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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think-man said:
Shadow1980 said:

So in other words there's actual thought that has to be put into it and not just a bunch of mindless flailing around like in FFXV?

Yeah, you definitely have to think more, and when your character is dead none of that 2nd health bar bs that 15 had. It's either Phoenix Down or they out xD 

Sounds okay. I've never liked action RPGs in general as they usually felt like a bunch of mindless button-mashing, plus they usually make it to where the player only controls one character while the rest of the party is managed by AI routines of often dubious usefulness. Needless to say, when it was announced that FFVII:R would not be a traditional turn-based RPG I was extremely wary of it. After hearing from someone who has first-hand experience with it say that it's a good hybrid system, that does offer a lot of relief. I still would have preferred it to be a fully turn-based game, but I'm more willing to give this remake a chance now.



DonFerrari said:
Chrkeller said:

I am optimistic as well.  I do believe it has to have character carryover, or it will just be weird.  That will be curious how it is handled with the ps5 coming next year.

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@Barkley:I am not arguing semantics all day.  FFVII was a singular game, the remake isn't.  Call it whatever you want.  It doesn't change how Square is handling the remake.  

So uncharted and many others are episodic as well because they needed more than 1 game to tell the story?

If Uncharted 1 was remastered on the ps5, and broken up into 5 parts.  Yes, those parts would be individual episodes, because all 5 parts would be needed to tell Uncharted 1's story.  And from a story perspective, Uncharted 1 tells a complete story.  Yes Uncharted's story is expanded via 2/3/4, but that doesn't mean Uncharted 1's story is incomplete.    

Look, I grew up playing FFVII.  I wouldn't be shocked if I have beaten the game 12 times.  Through Midgar isn't a complete story, it just isn't.  Thus, it is an episode, because it is one piece of many that will be required to FFVII's story. 

If I make an apple pie, cut it into 8 pieces.....  claim those 8 pieces are all full individual pies...  I guess many here would believe me.  

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And while FFVII Remake looks amazing, I am concerned about all the extra content.  I don't see how they are going to make Midgar 40 hours.  40 hours doing what?  Midgar is maybe 5 hours in FFVII.  

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Chrkeller said:
DonFerrari said:

So uncharted and many others are episodic as well because they needed more than 1 game to tell the story?

If Uncharted 1 was remastered on the ps5, and broken up into 5 parts.  Yes, those parts would be individual episodes, because all 5 parts would be needed to tell Uncharted 1's story.  And from a story perspective, Uncharted 1 tells a complete story.  Yes Uncharted's story is expanded via 2/3/4, but that doesn't mean Uncharted 1's story is incomplete.    

Look, I grew up playing FFVII.  I wouldn't be shocked if I have beaten the game 12 times.  Through Midgar isn't a complete story, it just isn't.  Thus, it is an episode, because it is one piece of many that will be required to FFVII's story. 

If I make an apple pie, cut it into 8 pieces.....  claim those 8 pieces are all full individual pies...  I guess many here would believe me.  

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And while FFVII Remake looks amazing, I am concerned about all the extra content.  I don't see how they are going to make Midgar 40 hours.  40 hours doing what?  Midgar is maybe 5 hours in FFVII.  

If the how many parts of FF VII remake tells each a complete story you wouldn't now without knowing the original.

What to say the 6 Uncharted (Golden Abyss and Lost Legacy are also part) isn't a single story broken down to each game?

You may have played FF VII 100 times, you haven't played the remake to know if it will or not be a full story on the first part. Also plenty of games have been unfinished the way they release but aren't considered episoidic.

If the game is 1-4h by all means call it an episode, but if it is 12-40h it is well within industry average so not an episode to keep clean on how usually they are called.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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DonFerrari said:
Chrkeller said:

If Uncharted 1 was remastered on the ps5, and broken up into 5 parts.  Yes, those parts would be individual episodes, because all 5 parts would be needed to tell Uncharted 1's story.  And from a story perspective, Uncharted 1 tells a complete story.  Yes Uncharted's story is expanded via 2/3/4, but that doesn't mean Uncharted 1's story is incomplete.    

Look, I grew up playing FFVII.  I wouldn't be shocked if I have beaten the game 12 times.  Through Midgar isn't a complete story, it just isn't.  Thus, it is an episode, because it is one piece of many that will be required to FFVII's story. 

If I make an apple pie, cut it into 8 pieces.....  claim those 8 pieces are all full individual pies...  I guess many here would believe me.  

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And while FFVII Remake looks amazing, I am concerned about all the extra content.  I don't see how they are going to make Midgar 40 hours.  40 hours doing what?  Midgar is maybe 5 hours in FFVII.  

If the how many parts of FF VII remake tells each a complete story you wouldn't now without knowing the original.

What to say the 6 Uncharted (Golden Abyss and Lost Legacy are also part) isn't a single story broken down to each game?

You may have played FF VII 100 times, you haven't played the remake to know if it will or not be a full story on the first part. Also plenty of games have been unfinished the way they release but aren't considered episoidic.

If the game is 1-4h by all means call it an episode, but if it is 12-40h it is well within industry average so not an episode to keep clean on how usually they are called.

True, but I know the original inside out.  

Because I have played most of the Uncharted games.  The story is completed within each.  Midgar isn't a complete story, it is just the beginning, again I've played FFVII.  When Cloud (and company) depart from Midgar, there is no clarity around what exactly is going on.  Cloud's background hasn't even been developed.    

It won't be a full story.  Many characters won't even be introduced within the Midgar piece.  We have all played FFVII, we know what the full story is and it is more than Midgar.  Especially as it pertains to Cloud's character development.  

Xenosaga says hi.  Also Square themselves have called FFVII episodes.  What I personally find amusing is the anti episode agenda.  FFVII being episodes may not be a bad thing.  It could turn out to be one of the most impressive games to date.  I am not sure why people view episodes as a negative.  A full game is being remasters via multiple parts...  episodes.  Really it is that simple.  



Chrkeller said:
DonFerrari said:

If the how many parts of FF VII remake tells each a complete story you wouldn't now without knowing the original.

What to say the 6 Uncharted (Golden Abyss and Lost Legacy are also part) isn't a single story broken down to each game?

You may have played FF VII 100 times, you haven't played the remake to know if it will or not be a full story on the first part. Also plenty of games have been unfinished the way they release but aren't considered episoidic.

If the game is 1-4h by all means call it an episode, but if it is 12-40h it is well within industry average so not an episode to keep clean on how usually they are called.

True, but I know the original inside out.  

Because I have played most of the Uncharted games.  The story is completed within each.  Midgar isn't a complete story, it is just the beginning, again I've played FFVII.  When Cloud (and company) depart from Midgar, there is no clarity around what exactly is going on.  Cloud's background hasn't even been developed.    

It won't be a full story.  Many characters won't even be introduced within the Midgar piece.  We have all played FFVII, we know what the full story is and it is more than Midgar.  Especially as it pertains to Cloud's character development.  

Xenosaga says hi.  Also Square themselves have called FFVII episodes.  What I personally find amusing is the anti episode agenda.  FFVII being episodes may not be a bad thing.  It could turn out to be one of the most impressive games to date.  I am not sure why people view episodes as a negative.  A full game is being remasters via multiple parts...  episodes.  Really it is that simple.  

Yes you have played Uncharted and the original FF VII. But they will certainly change the story and will implement stuff they have put on other FFVII material to make it a full story or at least compelling introducting the sequel (Soul Reaver was pretty clear on having sequel but being self contained first game).

As said in the thread, they said episodes and fast corrected.

I have no problem with it being episode, as long as priced correctly, but they changed the PR to full games.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Square changed the verbiage to appease all the whiners.



Chrkeller said:
Square changed the verbiage to appease all the whiners.

They changed it because, like so many here, people took what they said as if they were using the same format as what everyone refers to as the episodic format. Bite size episode games like the Telltale and Don’t Nod games.

But it is not what they are doing, regardless of what many here would want you to believe.

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I never thought it was going to be multiple 2 hour games. I figured it was Xenosaga, you know that giant Japanese rpg that was released at full price in multiple episodes.

Development costs have skyrocketed since the ps1.  I get why FFVII is multiple episodes.  I don't see it as an issue.  And again, I don't get the sensitivity around calling it what it is.  FFVII is a single story, with multiple pieces.