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Snoopy on 25 August 2019
CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

Eventually, it will be the case. The main consoles are definitely going to become obsolete. Remember the whole reason why people prefer consoles is because it's cheaper and easier to use than PC gaming. Streaming does a better job than consoles at both of those categories.

Eventually could be 20-30 years from now. If you think we are anywhere close to the end of movie theaters, you're out of tune with the current climate.

As for physical media, it's going to take a long time before that is no longer produced as well.

It will happen over time, movies theaters are closing all across the country and soon Holly wood will release their movies on Hulu/Netflix day one.



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Torillian on 25 August 2019
Snoopy said:
CGI-Quality said:

Eventually could be 20-30 years from now. If you think we are anywhere close to the end of movie theaters, you're out of tune with the current climate.

As for physical media, it's going to take a long time before that is no longer produced as well.

It will happen over time, movies theaters are closing all across the country and soon Holly wood will release their movies on Hulu/Netflix day one.

What stats do you have that the overall number of movie theaters is declining? A quick google indicates that they are steady and/or slowly growing. 

https://www.natoonline.org/data/us-movie-screens/



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sethnintendo on 25 August 2019

They plan on bringing some of their stuff to Steam aren't they. Still waiting for Forza on steam but I guess I'll just get Project Cars 2 next fall or winter sale.



PotentHerbs on 25 August 2019
LudicrousSpeed said:
PotentHerbs said:

The problem is the amount of statements Phil has made prior to this one. 

Sure, their long term goal is clear, but we're approaching a new console generation, the last thing the average consumer wants to hear is conflicting information about the future of Xbox exclusives.

The average consumer doesn’t read any of this stuff.

There was zero contradiction in that GamePass on all platforms quote.

Phil has said so many conflicting things its hard to keep track of them all. From E3 this year: 

https://ca.ign.com/articles/2019/06/19/phil-spencer-xbox-focus-is-on-software-and-services-not-console-sales

"Spencer further defended Microsoft's strategy. 'There’s always the core that kind of comes back [with]: 'You’re reducing the need to buy an Xbox.' I actually find that in reality people play on a console because they enjoy playing on a television on the couch with a controller in their hands, and it’s an experiential thing more than it is trying to sell an individual device. To shorten it: We focus on the player; we don’t focus on the device."

The average consumer will definitely see this headline as most major gaming sites will cover it.



Snoopy on 25 August 2019
CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

It will happen over time, movies theaters are closing all across the country and soon Holly wood will release their movies on Hulu/Netflix day one.

Really? Provide me with sources to corroborate this.

https://mashable.com/2017/04/04/movies-theaters-dying-cinemacon-pvod/

https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/01/10/how-netflix-is-closing-the-curtains-on-movie-theat.aspx

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-death-of-the-american-movie-theater/

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=movie+theaters+closing



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PotentHerbs on 25 August 2019
Azzanation said:
PotentHerbs said:

The problem is the amount of statements Phil has made prior to this one. 

Sure, their long term goal is clear, but we're approaching a new console generation, the last thing the average consumer wants to hear is conflicting information about the future of Xbox exclusives.

Well its even simpler. Invest into the Xbox eco system by buying into a Scarlett or Windows 10 and there is nothing to worry about.

I throught Xbox had no games, yet it seems there is more interest in Xbox IPs than any other.

This thread has been all about MS PR.

Who said anything about Xbox IP's being interesting? There is little incentive to invest in the Xbox ecosystem. 



Snoopy on 25 August 2019
CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

~ Links

Most of these are opinions, certainly not enough statistical data to support your claim. This is still a multi-billion $ business that isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

You also completely dodged Torillian's source, which is the type I asked of you. 

You didn't ask me what type of sources you wanted.

The sources showed compelling reasons why movie theaters will be going away soon. Not to mention I gave you a link on youtube that shows movie theaters are closing in a lot of communities, my included. Torillian's source proves me right as well. Stagnating growth is usually the first sign of a business going under unless they change their business model completely.

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Machiavellian on 25 August 2019
JRPGfan said:
Machiavellian said:

Nope.  MS has stated on more than one occasion that gamepass, Xcloud is the future.  MS will be pushing to make both very successful and since Xcloud and gamepass really go very well together it make sense that MS would want them on as many platforms as possible.  Would you consider this any different from Google Standia.  Do you believe Google cares if you use their could service on Xbox, PS or Nintendo system, No.  From interviews, it seems MS is already trying to get away from the console wars and move into new territory.  That territory is where content is king and the hardware can be considered like a PC where any vendor can create the hardware to run it.

The problem is the "Has no futher plans to bring first party games to other platforms" statement from a few days ago.

If they want to go 3rd party just be truthfull and admit it, which seemingly this "our future goal is gamepass on all platforms" kinda is.
You know the only reason they re trying not to say that, currently is because they wish to sell you a Xbox Two, as a place to play Xbox exclusives.

Imagine if mid gen, the PS5 gets gamepass?
At that point, was the purpose of owning a xbox two?

Your first paragraph is a near term strategy.  Mean at this point in time, there isn't any other first party games they see going to another platform.  That can easily change with any new game or content depending on their strategy.   

If MS wants to go 3rd party, they will let everyone know when they are ready.  It would be silly to pronounce a third party strategy if you do not have all the tools, marketing, software, partnerships etc in place first.  Why would a business even make such a statement until they have everything lined up first.  Also, who says they are going a 3rd party strategy.  MS could easily just have XCloud be on everything besides PS system.  The full details probably isn't even close to being a reality any time soon so why don't we sit back and relax.  

I am sure MS would want XCloud be something like Netflix, where you cannot purchase any media device without having the option of it already installed and ready to stream games.  That is probably not going to happen in the next gen or if it does it probably will be late but who knows.  Things can change.



JRPGfan on 25 August 2019
Machiavellian said:
JRPGfan said:

The problem is the "Has no futher plans to bring first party games to other platforms" statement from a few days ago.

If they want to go 3rd party just be truthfull and admit it, which seemingly this "our future goal is gamepass on all platforms" kinda is.
You know the only reason they re trying not to say that, currently is because they wish to sell you a Xbox Two, as a place to play Xbox exclusives.

Imagine if mid gen, the PS5 gets gamepass?
At that point, was the purpose of owning a xbox two?

Your first paragraph is a near term strategy.  Mean at this point in time, there isn't any other first party games they see going to another platform.  That can easily change with any new game or content depending on their strategy.   

If MS wants to go 3rd party, they will let everyone know when they are ready.  It would be silly to pronounce a third party strategy if you do not have all the tools, marketing, software, partnerships etc in place first.  Why would a business even make such a statement until they have everything lined up first.  Also, who says they are going a 3rd party strategy.  MS could easily just have XCloud be on everything besides PS system.  The full details probably isn't even close to being a reality any time soon so why don't we sit back and relax.  

I am sure MS would want XCloud be something like Netflix, where you cannot purchase any media device without having the option of it already installed and ready to stream games.  That is probably not going to happen in the next gen or if it does it probably will be late but who knows.  Things can change.

Thats the thing.... are the breadcrums currently leading that way?
We know theres gonna be a Xbox Two, but do you believe MS will make a Xbox Three ? or will they have gone 3rd by that time?

And does knowing thats where MS wants to head... make you want to buy into the xbox hardware side of things any less?
Imagine they actually do manage to get gamepass to PS5, and Switch (via streaming)...  I'd feels bad about haveing bought the hardware, if I knew there was a competitive product, that had exclusives along with everything else you had.

Also at this point, even if Xbox gave a clear definitive answear, saying otherwise.... would you trust that?
I feel like their messaging and stuff turning out, differntly than they say happends too often.  Like Where was the VR for xbox one X? the occulus rift + vive support? and the VR games? They said that would be there, and a year lateron its just "sorry, we re not doing that".

At this point in time, theres enough breadcrums that if I was a xbox fan, I'd be worried about its future.

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Machiavellian on 25 August 2019
JRPGfan said:
Machiavellian said:

Your first paragraph is a near term strategy.  Mean at this point in time, there isn't any other first party games they see going to another platform.  That can easily change with any new game or content depending on their strategy.   

If MS wants to go 3rd party, they will let everyone know when they are ready.  It would be silly to pronounce a third party strategy if you do not have all the tools, marketing, software, partnerships etc in place first.  Why would a business even make such a statement until they have everything lined up first.  Also, who says they are going a 3rd party strategy.  MS could easily just have XCloud be on everything besides PS system.  The full details probably isn't even close to being a reality any time soon so why don't we sit back and relax.  

I am sure MS would want XCloud be something like Netflix, where you cannot purchase any media device without having the option of it already installed and ready to stream games.  That is probably not going to happen in the next gen or if it does it probably will be late but who knows.  Things can change.

Thats the thing.... are the breadcrums currently leading that way?
We know theres gonna be a Xbox Two, but do you believe MS will make a Xbox Three ? or will they have gone 3rd by that time?

Yes, there are breadcrumbs but you will have to walk more than a marathon before you see the reality.  I am positive that MS sees a future where streaming services and something like Gamepass and XCloud is the future but its not here yet.  A company can do 2 things when technology comes to a point where it can change and break a market, you either jump right in and be ready or you can continue to go down the same strategy you did before and get left behind.  Sony saw it with PSNOW, Google sees it with Standia and of course MS sees it with Gamepass and XCloud.  Who knows what Apple is doing but I am sure its something.  

Personally, no one knows if either Sony, MS or Nintendo will continue to make hardware.  It will depend on the hardware experience compared to the game content.