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Spider-Man no longer in the MCU after disagreement between Sony and Disney (UPDATE #2): Sony releases statement

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KManX89 said:
TallSilhouette said:
Well, Raimi's first two films and Spider-verse are better than Homecoming and Far From Home. They don't need Disney to succeed with the character, but they could just as likely faceplant, too. Regardless, I'm sure this is disappointing for MCU fans.

Yup Sony, the company that butchered Spider-Man and Ghost Rider since 2007 and only made as much money off the current iteration of Spidey BECAUSE of the MCU connection is better off rebooting Spider-Man for the 4th (!) time after failing to do so TWICE on their own.

That'll end well.

Sony's mistake with the Sam Raimi series was giving him too much control.  The first two were good films, but the third sucked because Raimi was given full writing control.  He made his fave villian, Sandman, play too important a role in Spider-Man's backstory.  He pretty much turned him into a Gary Stu.  That and the fans were clamoring for Venom, but Raimi doesn't really like Venom, so got his character all wrong.  It's really a shame that he doesn't like Venom, cause I think if he really read up on him he would, and could have had some real fun with him. 

Also, where is the 2nd failed reboot you speak of?  Sony only rebooted their Spider-Man once before the Tom Holland/MCU version.



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Now that's the actual Endgame I was waiting for, thanks Sony



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Sony Pictures never ceases to disappoint. Fuck 'em.



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thismeintiel said:
KManX89 said:

Yup Sony, the company that butchered Spider-Man and Ghost Rider since 2007 and only made as much money off the current iteration of Spidey BECAUSE of the MCU connection is better off rebooting Spider-Man for the 4th (!) time after failing to do so TWICE on their own.

That'll end well.

Sony's mistake with the Sam Raimi series was giving him too much control.  The first two were good films, but the third sucked because Raimi was given full writing control.  He made his fave villian, Sandman, play too important a role in Spider-Man's backstory.  He pretty much turned him into a Gary Stu.  That and the fans were clamoring for Venom, but Raimi doesn't really like Venom, so got his character all wrong.  It's really a shame that he doesn't like Venom, cause I think if he really read up on him he would, and could have had some real fun with him. 

Also, where is the 2nd failed reboot you speak of?  Sony only rebooted their Spider-Man once before the Tom Holland/MCU version.

Venom was shoehorned into Spider-Man 3 because Avi Arad meddled to get him put in. As a result, SM3 was an overbloated mess with too many characters/plotlines.

Then again, he's had quite the track record of butchering films. He also graced us with X-Men: the Last Stand, X-Men: Origins Wolverine, both Hulks, both Fantastic Four movies (he thankfully had no involvement in the godawful 2015 reboot, I can only imagine how much worse it would've been with him involved), both Ghost Riders, Elektra, the terrible theatrical cut of DareDevil (like I said, the R-rated DC on home video is much better), the terrible Amazing Spider-Man films, the list goes on.

Oh and I meant 4th continuity. It would technically only be the third time rebooting him, TASM series being the first.



Mar1217 said:

Now that's the actual Endgame I was waiting for, thanks Sony

Yeah, sure, let's let them make their own films again without Marvel's oversight (even though the MCU connection was the only reason they made as much as they did off the Tom Holland films).

Because it worked so well for Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, and both Amazing Spider-Man films.

Venom wasn't all that great, either. 



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KManX89 said:
Mar1217 said:

Now that's the actual Endgame I was waiting for, thanks Sony

Yeah, sure, let's let them make their own films again without Marvel's oversight (even though the MCU connection was the only reason they made as much as they did off the Tom Holland films).

Because it worked so well for Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, and both Amazing Spider-Man films.

Venom wasn't all that great, either. 

Well, people pointed it out already, but Spiderman previous movies were already succesful financially so Sony couldn't care less about what follows suit at this point (Hell, they raked a ton from that godawful Emoji movie despite being slandered by everyone)

Anyway, just knowing this will hurt the establishment of Disney and the super hero genre is enough for me to be happy !



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KManX89 said:
thismeintiel said:

Sony's mistake with the Sam Raimi series was giving him too much control.  The first two were good films, but the third sucked because Raimi was given full writing control.  He made his fave villian, Sandman, play too important a role in Spider-Man's backstory.  He pretty much turned him into a Gary Stu.  That and the fans were clamoring for Venom, but Raimi doesn't really like Venom, so got his character all wrong.  It's really a shame that he doesn't like Venom, cause I think if he really read up on him he would, and could have had some real fun with him. 

Also, where is the 2nd failed reboot you speak of?  Sony only rebooted their Spider-Man once before the Tom Holland/MCU version.

Venom was shoehorned into Spider-Man 3 because Avi Arad meddled to get him put in. As a result, SM3 was an overbloated mess with too many characters/plotlines.

Then again, he's had quite the track record of butchering films. He also graced us with X-Men: the Last Stand, X-Men: Origins Wolverine, both Hulks, both Fantastic Four movies (he thankfully had no involvement in the godawful 2015 reboot, I can only imagine how much worse it would've been with him involved), both Ghost Riders, Elektra, the terrible theatrical cut of DareDevil (like I said, the R-rated DC on home video is much better), the terrible Amazing Spider-Man films, the list goes on.

Oh and I meant 4th continuity. It would technically only be the third time rebooting him, TASM series being the first.

While I agree Venom was shoehorned in and rushed, his character was also butchered by the Raimi Bros writing team.  It also wouldn't have helped their mishandling of Sandman.

You do realize that Avi Arad was the producer on both MCU Spider-Man flicks, right?  He also helped get the MCU rolling with Iron Man.  Outside of the MCU, he produced the Blade Trilogy and first two Raimi Spider-Man films.  Not saying he hasn't been involved with a bunch of stinkers, but he has been involved in some good ones, too.



50 50 split? Fuck Disney! Greedy bastards.



This at least means no more woke Spider man and it means that Spidey will be alone in his movies finally no other heroes bullshit anymore.



sundin13 said:
Fuck Sony. Like, I wasn't planning on watching Venom 2 or any of that shit, but there is no chance they will get any of my money for any of their Superhero movies now. Which sucks, because I really like Tom Holland and I'm sure this sucks for him more than anybody, but man....

Fuck Sony.

How bout fuck $$Disney$$ ? you know the worst horseshit company in the world right now ? yeah let's do that instead.

FUCK $$DISNEY$$