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Spider-Man no longer in the MCU after disagreement between Sony and Disney (UPDATE #2): Sony releases statement

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TallSilhouette said:
Well, Raimi's first two films and Spider-verse are better than Homecoming and Far From Home. They don't need Disney to succeed with the character, but they could just as likely faceplant, too. Regardless, I'm sure this is disappointing for MCU fans.

Yup Sony, the company that butchered Spider-Man and Ghost Rider since 2007 and only made as much money off the current iteration of Spidey BECAUSE of the MCU connection is better off rebooting Spider-Man for the 4th (!) time after failing to do so TWICE on their own.

That'll end well.



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Angelus said:
KrspaceT said: 

AAANNNDD a sense of not letting Sony just walk around with the Marvel brand willy nilly was a good idea why? 

Ignore Spiderverse for a moment, and remember the rest of the output. I like the Amazing series well enough, but intervention was needed. 

Pretty sure Venom was the superhero equiv of a Bay Transformer film. 

Also lest we forget: Emoji Movie. 

First off, the Emoji movie is irrelevant in this discussion. Venom....I haven't seen it, but it made over $800m, without even having Spiderman in it. Say what you will about it's quality, it was a massive success financially speaking. It's true that Sony missed the mark somewhat with the Amazing Spiderman movies, particularly the second, but even so, no mainline Spiderman movie has ever failed to cross $700m. It's not like Marvel stepped in and turned a complete nothing franchise into a winner here. So for Disney to think they deserve not only to get 50% of each movie they're directly involved in (they got 5% and merchandising rights under the old agreement), but also 50% of movies that Sony make independently of them in their Spider Verse or whatever…..that's just absurd. Sony absolutely has no need to let themselves get strong armed into such a deal. They can make money with Spiderman just fine on their own.

That's a 50/50 co-financing, not revenue sharing. 

"Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe. Sony turned that offer down flat, and I don’t believe they even came back to the table to figure out a compromise."



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lol@blaming Disney. Disney saved the spiderman movies from failing fan the last 2 spiderman movies were successful off the backs of the MCU an entire universe built without sony. asking for co-financing and shared profits of a movie is not an absurd thing to request when looking at that



Also let us not forget the thing about the Rami films: the Spiderman there wasn't particularly quippy.

Not quite 'mouth sealed Deadpool', but not good. I mean at least Superman had a reason to blast Zod in the temples...

The films were fine, but no need to treat them like the holy grail. They can do things better than the current films (I don't mind the idea of beyond High School Peter, far from it), but they can also do worse things.

Sort of think of it like Pokemon series to use an example: The Original series did things better than later episodes (filler, snark comedy, you can prefer the less friendly Ash of old, etc), while they do other things better (Battles are generally better, the Pokemon are generally more equally shown, the companion and their mons get more to do in general, etc)



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Can we have a 007 - Spiderman, or Jumanji - Spiderman crossover, now?



 

 

 

 

 

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Megiddo said:
I'm very amused at the amount of people in this thread who think that Spider-man never experienced success at the cinema until he was part of the MCU.

Yeah the Toby Mc movies all landed in the region of 850m-750m in the cinema, the Amazing spiderman duo got around 750m a pop. Sure far from home made 1.1b but if Sony are being asked to gift 50% of that to Disney along with other things such as merchandise sales then Sony would straight up be at a loss to not just continue making movies which generate 750m region money, it's not like every kid and mum that goes into the cinema to watch a spiderman movie knows if he is part of the MCU or not, families just want to see a superhero movie, shit like Shazam/Aquaman making a fair amount of cash is proof that people will wander into a cinema to watch a movie which has no real cinematic universe behind it and will likely lead to nothing other than a 2 hour popcorn eating session.

@KrspaceT you mention the DC studios laugh while this happens... you know that entire movie universe has fallen apart right? There isn't a Justice League Vs Avengers set of movies now, there is just the MCU films and a sprawling mess of random hero movies from DC, they are in a directionless spiral of random spin offs with no future planned outside of "can we have any box office monies"



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Who really cares? Spider-man has always been a loner who doesn't fit with most of the other characters. In fact, I always hated to see him shoehorned into "team" storylines in the comics. Seems like a silly thing to get pouty over.



Ganoncrotch said:
Megiddo said:
I'm very amused at the amount of people in this thread who think that Spider-man never experienced success at the cinema until he was part of the MCU.

Yeah the Toby Mc movies all landed in the region of 850m-750m in the cinema, the Amazing spiderman duo got around 750m a pop. Sure far from home made 1.1b but if Sony are being asked to gift 50% of that to Disney along with other things such as merchandise sales then Sony would straight up be at a loss to not just continue making movies which generate 750m region money, it's not like every kid and mum that goes into the cinema to watch a spiderman movie knows if he is part of the MCU or not, families just want to see a superhero movie, shit like Shazam/Aquaman making a fair amount of cash is proof that people will wander into a cinema to watch a movie which has no real cinematic universe behind it and will likely lead to nothing other than a 2 hour popcorn eating session.

@KrspaceT you mention the DC studios laugh while this happens... you know that entire movie universe has fallen apart right? There isn't a Justice League Vs Avengers set of movies now, there is just the MCU films and a sprawling mess of random hero movies from DC, they are in a directionless spiral of random spin offs with no future planned outside of "can we have any box office monies"

I was making a joke about rights issues more than DC movie quality. 

Also on the Spiderman 'loner' thing....yeah no. Spiderman's had a long history of association with other heroes, don't confuse rights issues with anything. 

Daredevil and the FF in particular. 

The era of solo Big 2 movies is dead, accept it. 



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KrspaceT said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Yeah the Toby Mc movies all landed in the region of 850m-750m in the cinema, the Amazing spiderman duo got around 750m a pop. Sure far from home made 1.1b but if Sony are being asked to gift 50% of that to Disney along with other things such as merchandise sales then Sony would straight up be at a loss to not just continue making movies which generate 750m region money, it's not like every kid and mum that goes into the cinema to watch a spiderman movie knows if he is part of the MCU or not, families just want to see a superhero movie, shit like Shazam/Aquaman making a fair amount of cash is proof that people will wander into a cinema to watch a movie which has no real cinematic universe behind it and will likely lead to nothing other than a 2 hour popcorn eating session.

@KrspaceT you mention the DC studios laugh while this happens... you know that entire movie universe has fallen apart right? There isn't a Justice League Vs Avengers set of movies now, there is just the MCU films and a sprawling mess of random hero movies from DC, they are in a directionless spiral of random spin offs with no future planned outside of "can we have any box office monies"

I was making a joke about rights issues more than DC movie quality. 

Also on the Spiderman 'loner' thing....yeah no. Spiderman's had a long history of association with other heroes, don't confuse rights issues with anything. 

Daredevil and the FF in particular. 

The era of solo Big 2 movies is dead, accept it. 

Hmmmm... I think I get what you mean, you know the main thing about all this... I don't wanna see another fucking reboot.

I swear at this stage I am getting PTSD from seeing Uncle Ben getting gunned down.



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It is funny that since this is VGC it obviously must be Sony fault, and also the success of this trilogy have been because of Disney. Like if Disney haven't been making dumb decisions like in Star Wars.



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