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Spider-Man no longer in the MCU after disagreement between Sony and Disney (UPDATE #2): Sony releases statement

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KManX89 said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Yeah, fuck Disney for the sole purpose of being greedy.

@ that guy that said "Sony doesn't own anything"
Back in 2015, Sony struck a deal with Disney's Marvel Studios that PERMITTED Spider-Man to be part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Spidey has been in 3 MCU movies so far and Sony cannot incorporate the character into its own extended universe until the deal comes to a conclusion. Now guess what, that deal has come to a conclusion and Sony is free to incorporate the Spider-Man franchise into their own spidey-universe.

Because it worked so well for Spider-Man 3 and both ASM movies.

And both Ghost Rider movies, even though they're not apart of the Spidey universe. They still count because they're Sony (standalone) films.

LOL. 

Wasn't only the first Ghost Rider made by Sony? I can't see any information about them making the 2nd one. 



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As far as I'm aware, Marvel owns the rights to everything spiderman related outside of movies so I'm not sure why Disney feels the need to become so greedy. Not surprised Sony would decline any offer to split costs or profits.



KManX89 said:

So you're just gonna conveniently ignore the tidbit about Spidey 3 and both (Un)Amazing Spider-Man movies? Not to mention that was an animated film, huge jump from that and live-action, which they've fucked up since 2007. Also the leaked Spider-Man 4 script was terrible and would've garnered even worse reception than Spider-Man 3.

Plus it's Sony. Every attempt of theirs to start a franchise has fallen flat, Resident Evil, Jumanji, Ghostbusters, Men in Black. They WILL fuck it up eventually (it might not even take them long to do it judging by their track record, lol), that's just how they roll.

Did you just include Jumanji? The new Jumanji film was a massive success. Critics, General audience and Jumanji fans liked it. Resident Evil was a critical failure but none of the movies flopped and is the highest-grossing video game movie series of all time.



Otter said:
I take Sony also own the rights for spiderman video games?

No, they apparently asked Marvel if they could make Spider-man (and it exclusive) because of the film deal as since Activision Marvel contract ended, there seemingly was no Marvel games made at all (for consoles) outside of MvC and Lego games really.

I think Marvel will now be dealing in singular contracts for games, not just 1 publisher like the past. Which is why we are getting the Avenger's game from SquEnix, why we'll most likely see a Spider-man sequel on PS5 and hopefully they will expand their games market to include other things, maybe a fighter or something (would love to see a Marvel fighter made by Tekken team).

Last edited by The Fury - on 22 August 2019

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JRPGfan said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Was it still? Maybe the deal had a time limit that ran out and needed to be dealt anew?

I mean, I don't see any good reason why Disney and Sony would be happy with a deal and then suddenly nothing anymore?

Of course, greed is a valid counterpoint. But before really condemning either side, I want to be sure to know the full story.

Yes, it was and is.... for another 2 movies (I believe).
This is Disney going back on the words or contract (or possibly related to future films after these 2).


"I mean, I don't see any good reason why Disney and Sony would be happy with a deal and then suddenly nothing anymore?"

Greed is a good motive..... Disney saw Sony makeing $1.1bn on their last Spiderman movie and their like "we want half of the next movie you do", if we help you with the director + MCU appearences of Spiderman.

It all just boils down to greed.
Disney is makeing money hand over fist, they really dont have to screw over sony, to make a quick buck.
Plus the relationship right now, as benefiting everyone.

Its just greed, by disney.

No, the deal is over. The deal was for five MCU-connected films, which he has now been in - Civil War, Homecoming, Infinity War, Endgame and Far From Home. The deal was always set to be renegotiated after Far From Home. That doesn't mean Disney couldn't have reeled in their greed a bit and keep this lucrative partnership going, but they're doing a power play since they feel they can do whatever they want. If not for Venom's surprisingly high box office yield, Sony probably would have caved too, honestly.



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KManX89 said:
Torillian said:

Don't see why we go back to ghost rider on this topic when Sony just made one of the best spider-man movies of all time without any assistance from Disney. 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spider_man_into_the_spider_verse

Don't you think that's more relevant than how bad a completely different super hero movie franchise was almost a decade ago?

So you're just gonna conveniently ignore the tidbit about Spidey 3 and both (Un)Amazing Spider-Man movies? Not to mention that was an animated film, huge jump from that and live-action, which they've fucked up since 2007. Also the leaked Spider-Man 4 script was terrible and would've garnered even worse reception than Spider-Man 3.

Plus it's Sony. Every attempt of theirs to start a franchise has fallen flat, Resident Evil, Jumanji, Ghostbusters, Men in Black. They WILL fuck it up eventually (it might not even take them long to do it judging by their track record, lol), that's just how they roll.

Jumanji failed? You mean the movie which Grossed 1 billion dollars failed?



betacon said:

Jumanji failed? You mean the movie which Grossed 1 billion dollars failed?

Yeah, that's the one, the one with a sequel releasing in a few months.



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KManX89 said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Yeah, fuck Disney for the sole purpose of being greedy.

@ that guy that said "Sony doesn't own anything"
Back in 2015, Sony struck a deal with Disney's Marvel Studios that PERMITTED Spider-Man to be part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Spidey has been in 3 MCU movies so far and Sony cannot incorporate the character into its own extended universe until the deal comes to a conclusion. Now guess what, that deal has come to a conclusion and Sony is free to incorporate the Spider-Man franchise into their own spidey-universe.

Because it worked so well for Spider-Man 3 and both ASM movies.

LOL. 

Yeah, both those movies made them a big profit. Accepting a 50/50 deal with Disney would have been stupid, they would make more money solo, even if the movies aren't liked as much.



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The Fury said:
Otter said:
I take Sony also own the rights for spiderman video games?

No, they apparently asked Marvel if they could make Spider-man (and it exclusive) because of the film deal as since Activision Marvel contract ended, there seemingly was no Marvel games made at all (for consoles) outside of MvC and Lego games really.

I think Marvel will now be dealing in singular contracts for games, not just 1 publisher like the past. Which is why we are getting the Avenger's game from SquEnix, why we'll most likely see a Spider-man sequel on PS5 and hopefully they will expand their games market to include other things, maybe a fighter or something (would love to see a Marvel fighter made by Tekken team).

I don't believe we know who asked who. But we do know that it wasn't a question of Spider-Man originally,but any Marvel character.

The jist of the story as we know it is that a Sony exec was down at Insomniac one day, and asked Insomniac's CEO Ted Price if they would want to make a Marvel game. Price's reaction was "fairly neutral" as the studio had built a following on the back of original properties, he "hadn't really considered working on someone else's IP."

Once he relayed this idea to their developers though, they showed great enthusiasm at the possibility. ‘Are you crazy? Of course we’re going to work on a Marvel game!'

Marvel wasn't interested in having Insomniac work around a movie or comic tie-in either, they wanted Insomniac to create their own version of a character, and Marvel was willing to let the developer take their pick. "[Marvel said] 'Look, we've got a lot of characters. Pick a character that you guys think works for you, and then we'd love to hear your take on it.'"

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/09/10/how-insomniacs-spider-man-came-to-be-ign-unfiltered

Majin-Tenshinhan said:

No, the deal is over. The deal was for five MCU-connected films, which he has now been in - Civil War, Homecoming, Infinity War, Endgame and Far From Home. The deal was always set to be renegotiated after Far From Home. That doesn't mean Disney couldn't have reeled in their greed a bit and keep this lucrative partnership going, but they're doing a power play since they feel they can do whatever they want. If not for Venom's surprisingly high box office yield, Sony probably would have caved too, honestly.

I read that there was a clause for an additional Spider-Man film in the MCU if Far From Home grossed over 1B. And it did.



Hiku said:

I don't believe we know who asked who. But we do know that it wasn't a question of Spider-Man originally,but any Marvel character.

The jist of the story as we know it is that a Sony exec was down at Insomniac one day, and asked Insomniac's CEO Ted Price if they would want to make a Marvel game. Price's reaction was "fairly neutral" as the studio had built a following on the back of original properties, he "hadn't really considered working on someone else's IP."

Once he relayed this idea to their developers though, they showed great enthusiasm at the possibility. ‘Are you crazy? Of course we’re going to work on a Marvel game!'

Marvel wasn't interested in having Insomniac work around a movie or comic tie-in either, they wanted Insomniac to create their own version of a character, and Marvel was willing to let the developer take their pick. "[Marvel said] 'Look, we've got a lot of characters. Pick a character that you guys think works for you, and then we'd love to hear your take on it.'"

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/09/10/how-insomniacs-spider-man-came-to-be-ign-unfiltered

Interesting, thanks. Kinda wish Marvel would do this more often. Go to a well known studio or developer and offer them the chance to make a game. It benefits everyone, we get a game for popular characters, developer gets to make their sort of game and Marvel makes money.

X-men games used to be pretty regular thing. The dispute and Activision contract ending changed that as we haven't had an X-men game outside of 1 on mobile a few years ago. But with Spider-man and Marvel Ultimate Alliance coming back, maybe Marvel will be looking to get their licenced characters out there again as DC have been winning the gaming thing, even if Marvel were winning the films.

Last edited by The Fury - on 22 August 2019

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