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Haven't seen Far From Home yet. Spiderman can be big without marvel. Hell, Amazing Spiderman wasn't far off Homecoming box office wise, even if it wasn't very good. But it was big enough that Sony are better off alone than losing 50% (if that report is accurate). They make more profit from Amazing Spiderman than 50% of the recent movies.

Disney should just shell out a lot of cash if they really want it. It's not like they don't have the money.

Debatable. The first and second reimi ones.. they are good but in a memey kind of way. The third one has no redeeming factors. The Amazing Spiderman ones we not good at all imo. Didn't like the main actor portraying Spiderman, didn't like how they handled the villains. Forgettable too. If you're gonna count Spiderverse then count Venom too. Not consistent imo. The Disney ones good though. Tom Holland is a good Peter Parker and Spiderman. The inclusion into the whole Marvel universe is also a big plus. Adds more scope to the world of Spidey.

Sure it was.

If they weren't Disney would just prefer to have 100% of the profit of the franchise.

Sony have the SpiderMan licensing, so they would be able to keep making the movies anyway. Sony was giving up 5% of the profits on the movie and 100% on merchandise for it to appear on MCU plus using the director and have cameos. I would say that Disney already were receiving more than they deserved. They want to have half the profits without doing anything, that can't be said to be anything but greed.

1 - It is that disney is so benevolent that they want to double the budget of the movie to make it much better so Sony can profit more, Disney will take the loss out of their good heart and small value SpiderMan add to MCU.

2 - Yes, sharing costs and profits could be good for Sony on something that is a risk investment. On a sure investment if you can do all of it by yourself it would be much better. And if you need money the bank will charge you interest rates that is much lesser than 400M of your profit in this case.

Yep for me the current deal is already very much better to Disney than to Sony, and they want even more and faulty Sony for not allowing to be bullied as Disney have been able to do to others without resistance.

It definitely would take a lot of money. Now that the agreement is over, Sony can actually make money off of the merchandise.  

My guess is that Disney knows the MCU is going to be headed on a steep downward trend in terms of profit, now that the Avengers are done. I see GOTG 3 and Dr Strange 2 making them money in Phase 4, but it's going to be awhile before they may have some heavy hitters, like X-Men and Fantastic 4 that may be huge. And those really aren't guarantees, as it will depend on how they handle the characters. Right now, Spidey is the biggest profit winner, especially if you combine films, games, and merchandise. Disney is getting greedy and wants a piece of it all.

Sony only own the Movie rights. Pretty sure this deal has nothing to do with merchandise. But the movie rights for the Spiderman Universe (it's not just spiderman) are worth a lot.

What is Sony's role in these movies? I haven't watched many of the MCU movies and I don't know the details here, but isn't Disney doing the work to make the films? And Sony is making money for owning the IP? I assume I'm wrong about that, as I don't see people calling Disney greedy if that were the case, but at least that was my understanding?

Or do you think Disney is greedy because they initially struck a deal but now want more money than before?

Just trying to understand if the opinions I'm seeing are biased or legit.

Another thing that pisses me off is people saying Sony wouldn't be able to reach this level of success with Spiderman on their own without Disney. They have no fucking clue about what they're talking.

When you adjust the inflation to current days, the original trilogy was way more profitable than MCU films in USA. You can absolutely say that all of them would've been 1100-1300M movies worldwide, and this was in a time when the asian market was not as important as is today, because then, those movies could've been 1500M or more easily.

Homecoming did barely better than the first Garfield movie. It can be said that the only Sony Spiderman movie that really "bombed" was  second one. 

When a movie like Venom, with all the bad press it received, made 860M worldwide...., come on...., of course a new only Sony Spiderman movie can make more than 1000M. 

Dude, I think you underestimate the Marvel brand if the Avengers climax is going to signal a loss of interest. 

They managed to make bank on things like the Guardians and Ant Man, and that isn't just going to go away...

I think it will be relatively lower, it would be hard for interest to not dip after such a clearly climactic event. Endgame is a good hopping off point for people that can't be bothered anymore. But it's still going to be massive.

Sony doesn't have a role in the Avengers movies. Sony doesn't make a cent from the use of Spider-Man on the movies.

Disney make money of the Spider Man movie even though they don't participate in it, they take all the money on the merchandise and wanted to make more money on the movie by forcing Sony to allow them to participate on it. So they were butting in and demanding more, and want to be seem as good guys in it.

Being clueless is part of being human. And hating Sony and faulting it for everything (and also taking any merit for any success) is a common place in VGC.

And I'll say I liked the original trilogy more than the Tom Holland one, he is just to dumb, well no only him but other heroes involved in the movie were all turned dumb (even though said to be genius of all type). I just hate entertainment that say a char is brilliant but fail to see even the obvious all the time, and almost always are less smart than myself.