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DonFerrari said:
They shouldn't have even done the second one (although at the time I loved the idea), the trilogy was a blasphemy and bringing it back just to add insult to injury is perverse on a Disney Star Wars level.

I loved it.



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Barkley said:
DonFerrari said:
They shouldn't have even done the second one (although at the time I loved the idea), the trilogy was a blasphemy and bringing it back just to add insult to injury is perverse on a Disney Star Wars level.

I loved it.

It sure was entertaining, but wasn't really necessary.

Welcome back Mr. Anderson and that fight on the 3rd was great as well.

The reason I prefer mangas and animes over american productions is that once something is done is done.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Barkley said:
DonFerrari said:
They shouldn't have even done the second one (although at the time I loved the idea), the trilogy was a blasphemy and bringing it back just to add insult to injury is perverse on a Disney Star Wars level.

I loved it.

Yeah, I'm on the side of thinking the 2nd film was good too. Even the 3rd, which I felt was the weakest, wasn't something I disliked. Smith was the boss. :)



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

COKTOE said:
Barkley said:

I loved it.

Yeah, I'm on the side of thinking the 2nd film was good too. Even the 3rd, which I felt was the weakest, wasn't something I disliked. Smith was the boss. :)

But when you watched the first one (and at the time I remember hearing it was a singular movie, not part of sequels), didn't you got what would happen?

Neo woke up, he will free everyone from Matrix, the end. The other 2 movies weren't necessary even though they were fun to watch.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Ka-pi96 said:
DonFerrari said:

The reason I prefer mangas and animes over american productions is that once something is done is done.

I call bullshit.

Manga and anime rarely seem to even end. And when they do they don't stay that way either.

Them you are the one bullshitting.

Samurai X ended like 20 years ago and stay that way, Saint Seiya the same (there was plan for Zeus since the begining, but it is taking a lifetime) but this have spin-off, even Dragon Ball the manga finished.

You don't get reboots and the few that get unexpected sequels are ones that story is close to not existing.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Ka-pi96 said:
DonFerrari said:

Them you are the one bullshitting.

Samurai X ended like 20 years ago and stay that way, Saint Seiya the same (there was plan for Zeus since the begining, but it is taking a lifetime) but this have spin-off, even Dragon Ball the manga finished.

You don't get reboots and the few that get unexpected sequels are ones that story is close to not existing.

Never even heard of Samurai X (and I'm sure I could list plenty of western things that you've never heard of that haven't been remade/rebooted/sequeled too).

And Dragonball? ha! The manga may have ended, but the anime? That never stayed done! And you absolutely do get reboots and/or remakes too, Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood for one (one of my favourite anime of all time, but still a reboot/remake).

If you don't know rurouni no kenshin (samurai X) then I could only assume you read/watch very little manga or anime.

You can count on a hand the number of reboots and milk sequels after the story is closed for manga (the anime stayed done for like 20 years, from GT - never covered in the manga - up to super, with some movies/ovas throw one time or another that are inconsequential).

About manga that never end, your other point, I don't remember any that was done like this without the story demanding it (or writer being partially lazy). There are like 4 or 5 I can remember that are like 40-50 year running (no reboot in between like would happen with Comics) and they are either not tied story.

The very long ones (20 years or so) that haven't finished but have a story, Berserker (writer put a chapter every 3 months or so nowadays), One Piece (weekly going and the story have been moving forward with we knowing more or less we expect it to finish since like 2 years into it), Hunter x Hunter (writer also entered major hiatus).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Hiku said:
COKTOE said:
I liked the first one in spite of the fact that Neo came back from the dead because of Trinity's wish love. Or is is love wish? They can do whatever they want after that nonsense.

I didn't interpret it as him coming back because Trinity wished it.
The Oracle told Neo that he was in fact not The One. But she also left him with this message:"Being The One is just like being in love. No one can tell you you're in love, you just know it." 
Just like everything in the Matrix, as Morpehous demonstrated to Neo when explaining why he was faster and stronger than him, the limitations on a person is related to what they're able to believe. If his brain thinks he hit the pavement for real, he will start to bleed. Neo didn't fully believe that he was The One, until that moment, because of what The Oracle had told him.

Yeah, there's different ways to look at it to be sure. At that point in time, in the real world, he was dead. If you wanted to look at it in a more clinical way, you could say that although Neo was dead, he wasn't brain dead, and therefore it's possible he still heard Trinity. He was also still connected to the Matrix. Trinity's words jolted him back into the world of the living, which also caused him to return to life within the Matrix. I hope I'm making sense. I had a rough sleep last night. But just tonally, that scene felt off to me when I first saw it. I think I rolled my eyes and muttered something. Ha. At the very least, what you said makes sense.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

estebxx said:
Keannu Reves has had one of the biggest resurgences an actor could ask for.

Unpopular opinion: but i really enjoyed the PS2 Matrix games, i just had a lot of fun with them...

Never played Enter the Matrix, but I played the shit out of The Path of Neo. Great game that deserves a remastered version. Fun fact, the guy who does Neo's voice in that game played Keanu Reeves in sketches on MadTV for a few years.



Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:

Them you are the one bullshitting.

Samurai X ended like 20 years ago and stay that way, Saint Seiya the same (there was plan for Zeus since the begining, but it is taking a lifetime) but this have spin-off, even Dragon Ball the manga finished.

You don't get reboots and the few that get unexpected sequels are ones that story is close to not existing.

Actually both Samurai X and Dragonball manga got continuations daces after they ended, and are still ongoing.



Dragonball started up again shortly before the Battle of Gods movie, and is released on a monthly basis.



Ruroni Kenshin (Samurai X) got a continuation in 2018.

- Naruto continued with his son, Boruto.
- One Piece is still ongoing, and will still be by the time our great grandkids are born.
- Gundam gets a new series every few years.
- Berserk is still ongoing.
- Hunter x Hunter is still ongoing. (Sort of...)
- Hajime no Ippo is still ongoing.
- Fairy Tale continued with a spinoff after the ending of the original.
- Sailor Moon got a reboot after decades. (Decades = at least 1 decade or more.)
- Captain Tsubasa got a continuation after decades.
- Akira is getting a new film after decades.
- Ruroni Kenshin continued after decades.
- Dragonball continued after decades.
- Death Note will get an 87 page one-shot manga after decades.
- Yu Yu Hakusho got a new movie in 2019 after decades.
- Code Geass got a continuation movie after decades.
- Neon Genesis Evangelion got a reboot and a continuation after decades.
- Stein's;Gate got a continuation after 9 years.

I can go on, but there's a lot of revival going on in popular manga/anime as well. And some have been ongoing for 20+ years and refuse to end.
And we're only going to see more of these come back as time goes on. I'm hyped for the new Akira though. The original was too short and didn't even cover 1/4 of the manga's story.

Samurai X kinemaban is a material done to tell the same history on the movie, so it isn't neither sequel nor reboot.

Boruto is ridiculous, but yes it is a sequel.

Gundam is a series not one book so not sure why you are trying to fit it in here.

Captain Tsubasa get new series following the development (age) of the char, with each story being closed before.

Sure you can go on, and still that wouldn't be the norm of manga, it is with several of the stuff you put something that started happening couple of years ago.

The stories that have been going for 20 years haven't been finished and aren't being streched, so no sense in mixing them together.

Akira is even funnier because you are admiting it isn't really getting a sequel, the movie just told a part of the story and didn't continue.

When we get like almost every comic hero book rebooted every 5-10 years to tell the same story we can think about making things equivalent.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

The stories that have been going for 20 years haven't been finished and aren't being streched.