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Forums - Politics Discussion - SaveJames - Liberal mom forcing her son to act like a girl?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvjHn6QEgh4

I wanted to share this video because I think it showcases a couple important points. This youtube creator goes through the court documents of a recent case in which a father claims that the mother of his son has forced him to be transgender. This has been reported by several conservative and centrist outlets with the slant that the father allows the son to wear whatever he wants at home, and that the mother forces the son to dress as a girl: https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/26/mom-dresses-six-year-old-son-girl-threatens-dad-losing-son-disagreeing/ Court documents, however, show the opposite. The mother allows the child to dress as either gender if they so choose, and the father has only boys' clothing at his home and told the mother in emails he will not take his son to a soccer game as a "make-believe girl". 

What I find interesting is not just that this "new" information backs up suspicions I've had about this case from the get go (pretty sure that kids being forced to act as the gender they were assigned at birth is way more common than what was originally being asserted), but that it shows the usefullness of youtube as a media outlet. I don't think a standard news outlet could put in hour aside just to go through court documents and debunk claims made by conservative outlets, but it's important none the less. To be fair, I've currently only gotten to the 27 minute mark on this hour long video so maybe it becomes terrible after that, but what I've seen thus far is well sourced and illuminating for this case. 

I considered using this as a reply to a recent thread about whether allowing kids to be trans was child abuse, but that was not about this case in particular so I thought it best as a thread in itself. 



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the-pi-guy said:
I always wonder why people think that there are many parents who want their children to be transgender when they aren't.

Yeah, being transgender automatically makes your child's life that much more difficult. Doubly so if you're not ACTUALLY transgender. It's not something any sane parent would impose on their child.  



the-pi-guy said:
I always wonder why people think that there are many parents who want their children to be transgender when they aren't.

I honestly don't think I've ever seen that claim being made

what I have seen is opposition to the idea that gender, behavior and psychological states are entirely social constructs

Ironically progressive discourse on matters such as women's fear of men contradicts their stance on the social construct stance since they claim that women are justified in being fearful of men because men are generally physically much larger/stronger



o_O.Q said:
the-pi-guy said:
I always wonder why people think that there are many parents who want their children to be transgender when they aren't.

I honestly don't think I've ever seen that claim being made

what I have seen is opposition to the idea that gender, behavior and psychological states are entirely social constructs

Ironically progressive discourse on matters such as women's fear of men contradicts their stance on the social construct stance since they claim that women are justified in being fearful of men because men are generally physically much larger/stronger

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=239924&page=1#

the thread mentioned in the OP with quite a few people making exactly the claim above. You participated in the thread as well so I'm not sure how you missed them. 



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Torillian said:
o_O.Q said:

I honestly don't think I've ever seen that claim being made

what I have seen is opposition to the idea that gender, behavior and psychological states are entirely social constructs

Ironically progressive discourse on matters such as women's fear of men contradicts their stance on the social construct stance since they claim that women are justified in being fearful of men because men are generally physically much larger/stronger

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=239924&page=1#

the thread mentioned in the OP with quite a few people making exactly the claim above. You participated in the thread as well so I'm not sure how you missed them. 

Unfortunately I have several other responsibilities that take up my time and attention, I don't think its fair to expect me to carry the contents of every thread I've participated in within my mind for an extended period of time

I remember the thread but I do not remember anyone making that claim, but I'll look through it quickly and see if I see what is being referred to



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Hiku said:
the-pi-guy said:
I always wonder why people think that there are many parents who want their children to be transgender when they aren't.

I think it is tied to the misconception that LGBT is a choice. (I'm trying my hardest to be attracted to Brad Pit right now, but it's not working...)
It can't be that the person was born that way. That doesn't compute with some people. So they find things to blame.

I dont get those types...

Even in the animal kingdom, theres Gay-lesbian couples.
In denmark we have a pinguine thats gay in the zoo.... it got attention because it tried to "steal" a baby and foster it up.
(the male+female the baby pinguine belonged to beat its arse, and took their kid back)

What happend was the zoo, gave it a "egg" its own, it could hatch.
Now its fostering its own kid too.

If your brain is wired the same way a womens is, and you want to dress like one, go ahead, I say.
ignore the haters.



CladInShadows said:
the-pi-guy said:
I always wonder why people think that there are many parents who want their children to be transgender when they aren't.

Yeah, being transgender automatically makes your child's life that much more difficult. Doubly so if you're not ACTUALLY transgender. It's not something any sane parent would impose on their child.  

Well we have 10.000's if not 100.000's of people who think the earth is flat. Millions of people who think that vaccination does more harm then good. Millions of people who don't believe in climate change, or that poluting and other actions have concequences. Quite a few persons from a certain country own enough weapons to start a small war. So there are plenty of people of whose sanity is doubtful at best. 



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

the-pi-guy said:
I always wonder why people think that there are many parents who want their children to be transgender when they aren't.

That's something I see more and more on evangelical sites on the discussion of transgender children. They claim children are coming out as transgender because it's cool and trendy to do so. And nobody can convince those people otherwise. 



the-pi-guy said:
I always wonder why people think that there are many parents who want their children to be transgender when they aren't.

The assertion seems to be something along the lines of Munchausen by Proxy, which is essentially when a parent fakes an illness for their child in order to get attention for themselves. While this is a real mental illness and form of child abuse, I do believe this argument is rooted in the belief that transgenderism (especially among children and teens) isn't real. You don't really see the same accusations being directed towards the parents of most sick children despite it being more common to use illness than to use transgenderism (I am not personally aware of any confirmed cases of Munchausen by Proxy through transgenderism)...

Note: I am not claiming that transgenderism is an illness.



sundin13 said:
the-pi-guy said:
I always wonder why people think that there are many parents who want their children to be transgender when they aren't.

The assertion seems to be something along the lines of Munchausen by Proxy, which is essentially when a parent fakes an illness for their child in order to get attention for themselves. While this is a real mental illness and form of child abuse, I do believe this argument is rooted in the belief that transgenderism (especially among children and teens) isn't real. You don't really see the same accusations being directed towards the parents of most sick children despite it being more common to use illness than to use transgenderism (I am not personally aware of any confirmed cases of Munchausen by Proxy through transgenderism)...

Note: I am not claiming that transgenderism is an illness.

For this particular instance, I think this had to do with people believing the parent that is vocal. Luna's mother decided she wanted to keep things private while the father has been out running the christian and conservative news rounds. I understand the mother's choice to try to keep her child from becoming a national point of debate, but having only one side of the story made it so easy for those who wanted to see this as a crazy liberal mother forcing her child to be trans. It takes someone going through court records to find the other side of things and you see that what we heard was only the father and his friends while we missed the testimony of Luna, two therapists, a CPS agent, Luna's twin brother, and the mother herself. 

All that said, I again cannot blame the mother. Near the end of the video in the OP the author talks about how Luna's mom had a twitter account where she would post helpful little tips for parents on all kinds of topics like making sure kids where sun screen in the heat and he would read it from time to time. Before the author posted the video, Luna's mom actually killed this twitter because every post was getting incessantly hammered for the Luna issue by conservatives. The video author talks about how this affected him and he wasn't sure why because seeing the actual abuse hadn't really had such an effect. He came to realize that he had been ascribing this almost saint-like resilience and perfection on the mother, that as long as she could ignore all the hate this was just an internet argument that hadn't affected her life. Seeing her kill the twitter was a reminder that she isn't impervious to this, and while we all debate about these things on forums there are real people on the other side of these issues often times getting hurt. 

To be fair, I'm somewhat hamstringing the discussion to talk about that portion of the video, but I found it poignant and wanted to hear others' thoughts. 



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