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curl-6 said:
Intrinsic said:

That's not what I was going to say... but thanks to all of you for proving my point anyways. I got all that from saying nothing, imagine how it would have been if I even said what I was thinking lol.

What of if I said its one of a shortlist of great games that you can only play on a Nintendo platform and that people practically buy a switch for that game. That buying a switch without that game would almost be like buying a console without a controller.

Would saying that make me a troll? Or somehow downplaying the Switch? And why should me saying that matter anyways if the damn game is selling consoles? Isn't that what its designed to do?

If that was all you had to say, why make such a big deal out of it with the whole "if I said what I wanted to say people would get upset" deal?
I doubt anyone would take issue with you saying it's a great game that people buy the hardware for.

Given that you suggested that what you had to say would get people riled up, of course they're going to deduce from that that it would be something inflammatory. 

Oh pls lets be honest here.

You sincerely believe that if i came and said...

well thats expected considering its pretty much the best game to play on the switch and there aren't that many "must-haves" (aka shortlist) of games on the switch right now my head wouldn't have been bitten off?

That wouldn't be considered downplaying/troling and what not? If you really believe that then you have not been on these forums long enough.

I have been attacked for "not saying" but indicating that I could "understand" why people were happy about PS4coming second for crying out loud.

edit: I bolded the part that would have caused the issue. Which I believe it's a legitimate point and is my opinion but people would have an issue with me saying that.

Last edited by Intrinsic - on 16 August 2019

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Kai_Mao said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Oh ok, I thought people were saying it sold almost as much as Awakening in the U.S. ... lifetime, in 6 days. Not just that the opening was better. But now I get it, since Fates is split into 3 Three Houses probably outsold every game except Fates and Awakening in 6 days, and even then it will probably beat those in the next week or two.  

With the way Three Houses has fared so far, I can definitely see the game outselling Awakening and Fates (all three versions of the game). With the Switch maintaining great momentum, I can see Three Houses have decent legs, even for a SRPG. Its pretty cool seeing a SRPG gain such success, especially when high-profile SRPGs are not as prominent nowadays, especially compared to the likes of action RPGs.

It's an incredible journey for Fire Emblem as a franchise. After years of being a franchise stuck in Japan, it gained some interest thanks to Smash Bros. Melee, found some success in the West, hit a wall during the Wii/DS days, and finally found great fame in Awakening and Fates (regardless of how you feel about these games in general). And now Three Houses has brought FE to new heights as a successful (commercially and critically) home console SRPG title, the first since Mystery of the Emblem back on the Super Famicom in 1994.

The franchise has truly risen as a B-tier (if not, A-tier) franchise for Nintendo. With the successful mobile game, the TCG, Three Houses, etc., Fire Emblem seems to have a pretty solid future ahead of itself.

Yeah I agree. I think Three Houses will hit around 5 to 5+ million lifetime. 



Intrinsic said:
curl-6 said:

If that was all you had to say, why make such a big deal out of it with the whole "if I said what I wanted to say people would get upset" deal?
I doubt anyone would take issue with you saying it's a great game that people buy the hardware for.

Given that you suggested that what you had to say would get people riled up, of course they're going to deduce from that that it would be something inflammatory. 

Oh pls lets be honest here.

You sincerely believe that if i came and said...

well thats expected considering its pretty much the best game to play on the switch and there aren't that many "must-haves" (aka shortlist) of games on the switch right now my head wouldn't have been bitten off?

That wouldn't be considered downplaying/troling and what not? If you really believe that then you have not been on these forums long enough.

I have been attacked for "not saying" but indicating that I could "understand" why people were happy about PS4coming second for crying out loud.

Well, I joined VGChartz in May of 2010, and was a lurker for about a year before that, so I have been here a little while.

I personally would disagree there aren't many "must-haves" on the Switch; obviously a "must-have" is a nebulous term as one person's must-have is another person's avoid-like-the-plague, but I'd say a case can be made for plenty of Switch games being must-haves.



curl-6 said:
Intrinsic said:

Oh pls lets be honest here.

You sincerely believe that if i came and said...

well thats expected considering its pretty much the best game to play on the switch and there aren't that many "must-haves" (aka shortlist) of games on the switch right now my head wouldn't have been bitten off?

That wouldn't be considered downplaying/troling and what not? If you really believe that then you have not been on these forums long enough.

I have been attacked for "not saying" but indicating that I could "understand" why people were happy about PS4coming second for crying out loud.

Well, I joined VGChartz in May of 2010, and was a lurker for about a year before that, so I have been here a little while.

I personally would disagree there aren't many "must-haves" on the Switch; obviously a "must-have" is a nebulous term as one person's must-have is another person's avoid-like-the-plague, but I'd say a case can be made for plenty of Switch games being must-haves.

True, and I completely respect your position. That's, why I put it n, quotes because I know talk like that is subjective. Even though its still an opinion.



curl-6 said:
super_etecoon said:

Is this a true statement?  Here on VGC?  I find that hard to believe, to be honest.  The Switch was made successful on the back of BOTW and anyone suggesting otherwise is trolling, being sarcastic, or just arrived to VGC from a far off land where opinions are valued more than facts.

But seriously, do you have a link to the comment?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9031327

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9031844

Wow...thanks for grabbing those.

That is beyond fanboyism and cherry picking.  Whether any title is available on any system, if it causes people to buy that system en masse it is by definition a killer app.  There is just no way that Zelda BOTW WiiU would have moved that many WiiU systems and therefore it wouldn't be in this list.  It's frustrating to discuss concepts with users who can't acknowledge the success of other systems and those consoles' reasons for being successful.  I do think BOTW on the WiiU may have had a chance to get near the top 3 of titles on the WiiU, but it would have been the worst decision in the company's history if they didn't release it day and date with the launch of the Switch.  Outside of BOTW we had Snipperclips.  The launch of the Switch was a dark time really, if you exclude BOTW.  So all of the success of every title post BOTW on Switch owes a debt to Zelda.  People would not have waited 8 months for Odyssey to come out before declaring the Switch DOA and another example of Nintendo's failed philosophy of market disruption.  And in the game of console sales, hype and product perception are king.



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Mar1217 said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

You should read the OP, Three houses sold over 300K first 6 days in USA.

Over 300K sold (if you count digital sales) like Zhuge assumed in his post.

Incredible numbers btw !

Your move Xenoblade Chronicles 3 !

I don't think 300K include digital, or am i missing something?



Ryng_Tolu said:
Mar1217 said:

Over 300K sold (if you count digital sales) like Zhuge assumed in his post.

Incredible numbers btw !

Your move Xenoblade Chronicles 3 !

I don't think 300K include digital, or am i missing something?

Maybe or maybe not, all he said was that the game probably sold over 300k if you include digital sales.



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Intrinsic said:
curl-6 said:

Well, I joined VGChartz in May of 2010, and was a lurker for about a year before that, so I have been here a little while.

I personally would disagree there aren't many "must-haves" on the Switch; obviously a "must-have" is a nebulous term as one person's must-have is another person's avoid-like-the-plague, but I'd say a case can be made for plenty of Switch games being must-haves.

True, and I completely respect your position. That's, why I put it n, quotes because I know talk like that is subjective. Even though its still an opinion.

Cheers. We may disagree about their being many must-haves, but I can definitely concur that BOTW is the best game on the system, to the point where if you're going to get a Switch, even in 2019, you may as well get BOTW. (Unless you're one of those folks like me who got the Wii U version haha) 

I would say though that the number of must-haves looks set to climb significantly in the coming months though with the arrival of games like Luigi's Mansion 3, Pokemon Sword/Shield, DQ11, (In Japan at least) Animal Crossing, etc. Who knows, maybe even Astral Chain will manage to carve out a rep for itself a cult classic must-have.



super_etecoon said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:
Weren't people saying in another thread that BOTW wasn't a killer app for Switch??? LOL okay

Is this a true statement?  Here on VGC?  I find that hard to believe, to be honest.  The Switch was made successful on the back of BOTW and anyone suggesting otherwise is trolling, being sarcastic, or just arrived to VGC from a far off land where opinions are valued more than facts.

But seriously, do you have a link to the comment?

Read the "soft launch theory":

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=224980

In response to the bolded part of your post, facts have long stopped to matter which is why the above link is what it is. It's a snapshot of the overall attitude on this website at the time and it's not like it has changed much since then.



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