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S.Peelman said:

Federation Force was basically that. Someone thought it was a good idea to attach that game to Metroid though which meant it got bashed heavily. It would probably have been better off if it didn’t mention Metroid, or was it’s own thing.

FF was originally a DS game that was shelved until Tanabe decided to dredge it up again for the 3DS due to the New 3DS' control enhancements and more powerful hardware. It was always intended to be a Metroid game.



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It's Nintendo and they're a Western studio, so that probably isn't in the cards. Retro Studios needed like 15 years to get an original IP after being restructured and completely bought out by Nintendo and they apparently blew it as the project is canned. I wouldn't expect them to get that chance again any time soon either.

If the Donkey Kong Country IP is still free that might be something they get to work on, but I suspect Nintendo has handed that IP off to another team. The Universal Studios attraction has a Donkey Kong area, so I think they will want a new game for it soon-ish. 



Soundwave said:
It's Nintendo and they're a Western studio, so that probably isn't in the cards. Retro Studios needed like 15 years to get an original IP after being restructured and completely bought out by Nintendo and they apparently blew it as the project is canned. I wouldn't expect them to get that chance again any time soon either.

Retro's situation is different. Their mystery project was had been in development hell for a while, and they and Nintendo were growing dissatisfied with its progress. At least according to rumors. Next Level is more stable at the moment since they're not an official subsidary of Nintendo, and most of their games under them have gone pretty smoothly.

Plus, Nintendo's not afraid of producing New IP, they're releasing another one in just a few weeks (Astral Chain).



TheMisterManGuy said:
Soundwave said:
It's Nintendo and they're a Western studio, so that probably isn't in the cards. Retro Studios needed like 15 years to get an original IP after being restructured and completely bought out by Nintendo and they apparently blew it as the project is canned. I wouldn't expect them to get that chance again any time soon either.

Retro's situation is different. Their mystery project was had been in development hell for a while, and they and Nintendo were growing dissatisfied with its progress. At least according to rumors. Next Level is more stable at the moment since they're not an official subsidary of Nintendo, and most of their games under them have gone pretty smoothly.

Plus, Nintendo's not afraid of producing New IP, they're releasing another one in just a few weeks (Astral Chain).

That's a Japanese studio. 

The last time a Western studio got to make a major original IP title was ... when? 

Nintendo is a very traditionalist Japanese company even by Japanese company standards. Given the cost of modern game development I think they are reticent to give a Western studio a chance at a new IP. 

Retro failing every time they've been given a chance at a new IP probably just reinforces the position at Nintendo. 



Soundwave said:

That's a Japanese studio. 

The last time a Western studio got to make a major original IP title was ... when? 

Nintendo is a very traditionalist Japanese company even by Japanese company standards. Given the cost of modern game development I think they are reticent to give a Western studio a chance at a new IP. 

Retro failing every time they've been given a chance at a new IP probably just reinforces the position at Nintendo. 

Snipperclips 2 years ago at the launch of the Switch. I'm not asking for a massive-budget AAA epic. But Nintendo can do more to work with Western AA developers to produce Western-made AA first party games on the Switch. Next Level is a good candidate for one of these.



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TheMisterManGuy said:
Soundwave said:

That's a Japanese studio. 

The last time a Western studio got to make a major original IP title was ... when? 

Nintendo is a very traditionalist Japanese company even by Japanese company standards. Given the cost of modern game development I think they are reticent to give a Western studio a chance at a new IP. 

Retro failing every time they've been given a chance at a new IP probably just reinforces the position at Nintendo. 

Snipperclips 2 years ago at the launch of the Switch. I'm not asking for a massive-budget AAA epic. But Nintendo can do more to work with Western AA developers to produce Western-made AA first party games on the Switch. Next Level is a good candidate for one of these.

Snipperclips is a low budget indie game that was being developed as a flash game.

As for giving one of their Western devs a shot at a "AA" IP ... I mean it's been a long, long, long time. 

The last one I can remember was Geist for the GameCube. After the N64 gen and Iwata taking over in 2002, Nintendo started to cut ties to a lot of their Western partners (Rare, Left Field, Silicon Knights, Factor 5, etc.) and Retro has basically been a 1 game studio (Metroid or DKC) since, when that wasn't the original intention of the studio. 



Soundwave said:

Snipperclips is a low budget indie game that was being developed as a flash game.

As for giving one of their Western devs a shot at a "AA" IP ... I mean it's been a long, long, long time. 

The last one I can remember was Geist for the GameCube. After the N64 gen and Iwata taking over in 2002, Nintendo started to cut ties to a lot of their Western partners (Rare, Left Field, Silicon Knights, Factor 5, etc.) and Retro has basically been a 1 game studio (Metroid or DKC) since, when that wasn't the original intention of the studio. 

Retro's early years before Metroid Prime were plagued with incompetent management, and lack of progress. They regularly went over budget, were understaffed for the games they had in development, and simply had too many games in development at the time. It's studio head was hardly there, and was using company money to run illegal porn sites and other scandalous activities. It was so bad that when Miyamoto and NCL reps first visited the studio, they were appalled at the sloppy development structure Retro had. After Nintendo fully acquired them, they basically had to kill those expensive projects and fire a ton of people just to make Metroid Prime the best it can be.



TheMisterManGuy said:
Soundwave said:

Snipperclips is a low budget indie game that was being developed as a flash game.

As for giving one of their Western devs a shot at a "AA" IP ... I mean it's been a long, long, long time. 

The last one I can remember was Geist for the GameCube. After the N64 gen and Iwata taking over in 2002, Nintendo started to cut ties to a lot of their Western partners (Rare, Left Field, Silicon Knights, Factor 5, etc.) and Retro has basically been a 1 game studio (Metroid or DKC) since, when that wasn't the original intention of the studio. 

Retro's early years before Metroid Prime were plagued with incompetent management, and lack of progress. They regularly went over budget, were understaffed for the games they had in development, and simply had too many games in development at the time. It's studio head was hardly there, and was using company money to run illegal porn sites and other scandalous activities. It was so bad that when Miyamoto and NCL reps first visited the studio, they were appalled at the sloppy development structure Retro had. After Nintendo fully acquired them, they basically had to kill those expensive projects and fire a ton of people just to make Metroid Prime the best it can be.

It seems like Nintendo has serious communication problems with Western studios when they're allowed to go off and do their own thing. From the making of Geist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geist_(video_game)

After about eight months of work,[15] n-Space finished the prototype and sent it to Nintendo of America, from which it was sent to Nintendo. Nintendo latched onto the game, and it was decided N-Space and Nintendo would work together to develop the game.[2][15] After six months, object possession was introduced in the game after some suggestions from Shigeru Miyamoto.[14] Geist was first shown to the public at the E3 2003 and it was later stated that Geist would be released the same year.[4] In the months after the E3 both companies realized they "weren't working on the same game"; N-Space had envisioned Geist to be a first-person shooter while Nintendo (more specifically, Kensuke Tanabe[16]) considered it to be a first-person action-adventure. The adjustments caused the game to be delayed many times until it was finally released two years later in 2005

Retro's most recent original project being canned ... I think Nintendo and Western studios have disagreements when it comes to original IP. 

When it's an established IP the developer can't really argue too much because there's an established formula to follow. 



Soundwave said:

It seems like Nintendo has serious communication problems with Western studios when they're allowed to go off and do their own thing. From the making of Geist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geist_(video_game)

After about eight months of work,[15] n-Space finished the prototype and sent it to Nintendo of America, from which it was sent to Nintendo. Nintendo latched onto the game, and it was decided N-Space and Nintendo would work together to develop the game.[2][15] After six months, object possession was introduced in the game after some suggestions from Shigeru Miyamoto.[14] Geist was first shown to the public at the E3 2003 and it was later stated that Geist would be released the same year.[4] In the months after the E3 both companies realized they "weren't working on the same game"; N-Space had envisioned Geist to be a first-person shooter while Nintendo (more specifically, Kensuke Tanabe[16]) considered it to be a first-person action-adventure. The adjustments caused the game to be delayed many times until it was finally released two years later in 2005

Retro's most recent original project being canned ... I think Nintendo and Western studios have disagreements when it comes to original IP. 

When it's an established IP the developer can't really argue too much because there's an established formula to follow. 

Maybe, but Geist is simply one instance. I don't think Nintendo doesn't trust Western studios with New IP, but I do think they never really had any luck finding a good one. Project HAMMER was the most infamous example, Nintendo Software Technology was making the game, but their upper management at the studio was plagued with Japanese elitism, and the poor developers at the lower level working on it were struggling to make the game fun. Miyamoto also wasn't too keen on the fact that more money was going towards expensive CGI cut-scenes vs the actual game. After a failed reboot as a more cartoon game, the project was cancelled, half the team left the company, and NCL was so sick with NST's bullshit that they locked them into MvDK games, where they remain to this day. Nintendo does trust western developers to make games, even new IP if the concept is good. It's just that in cases like NST, they have to earn that trust and if they damage it, then you're wasting their time.