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Was Epstein murdered and should we care?

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Bandorr said:
He "committed suicide" while under "suicide watch" so yeah he was murdered.

And we should care for two reasons. 1) That would make this a very high profile murder. and 2) it would mean someone is trying to cover up something very important.

Hell even if it was some how suicide we should still care. He has a lot of information that public should know.

He was removed from suicide watch on July 29 for some reason. Though "the authorities did not immediately explain why he was taken off suicide watch. The F.B.I. said it was investigating"

Here's some of the dirt he may have.

This was supposedly why Trump and Epstein had a falling out, arguing over who would brutally rape the girl first.
And he had apparently involved a lot of other rich and powerful people in these things.

Either way, whether he committed suicide or was murdered, looks like he wasn't innocent, as he claimed.

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i have no doubts he was silenced. to many rich guys who rode the Lolita express.



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Y'all are too conspiracy happy. Doing something like what's being suggested would be too difficult to cover up if an investigation were to follow. The murder would be caught, and they'd be in even deeper doodoo. No, this was indeed a suicide. However, it's very possible that the people responsible for preventing a suicide were paid off, and that the space and method for him to do this were provided to him. It's also quite possible that he was encouraged to do it, or possibly "encouraged" to do it. That would all be much easier to hide than an actual murder. I'd be interested to see the visitor logs and maybe hear any phone calls he made.



HylianSwordsman said:
Y'all are too conspiracy happy. Doing something like what's being suggested would be too difficult to cover up if an investigation were to follow. The murder would be caught, and they'd be in even deeper doodoo. No, this was indeed a suicide. However, it's very possible that the people responsible for preventing a suicide were paid off, and that the space and method for him to do this were provided to him. It's also quite possible that he was encouraged to do it, or possibly "encouraged" to do it. That would all be much easier to hide than an actual murder. I'd be interested to see the visitor logs and maybe hear any phone calls he made.

The murderer would be caught but camera's were apparantly malfunctioning and this on a like a 'high' target.  He probably had information about some people (and honestly don't care if it were republicans/democrats) his suicide is very convenient.

Does not mean at all that he got murdered but you can't blame people thinking that someone murdered him.






HylianSwordsman said:
Y'all are too conspiracy happy. Doing something like what's being suggested would be too difficult to cover up if an investigation were to follow. The murder would be caught, and they'd be in even deeper doodoo. No, this was indeed a suicide. However, it's very possible that the people responsible for preventing a suicide were paid off, and that the space and method for him to do this were provided to him. It's also quite possible that he was encouraged to do it, or possibly "encouraged" to do it. That would all be much easier to hide than an actual murder. I'd be interested to see the visitor logs and maybe hear any phone calls he made.

Murdered in this context means outside means. If I talk you into killing yourself, I am responsible for your death. I am a murderer.

If someone took him out of "suicide watch" and put him back in his cell with the intent for him to kill himself - I'd consider that murder.

If he was given the tools to do it. If he was encouraged to do it. Or "encouraged" (IE threatened) they are different versions of murder.

OR at least if you want to be technical some variation of manslaughter, or involuntary manslaughter.



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Bandorr said:
HylianSwordsman said:
Y'all are too conspiracy happy. Doing something like what's being suggested would be too difficult to cover up if an investigation were to follow. The murder would be caught, and they'd be in even deeper doodoo. No, this was indeed a suicide. However, it's very possible that the people responsible for preventing a suicide were paid off, and that the space and method for him to do this were provided to him. It's also quite possible that he was encouraged to do it, or possibly "encouraged" to do it. That would all be much easier to hide than an actual murder. I'd be interested to see the visitor logs and maybe hear any phone calls he made.

Murdered in this context means outside means. If I talk you into killing yourself, I am responsible for your death. I am a murderer.

If someone took him out of "suicide watch" and put him back in his cell with the intent for him to kill himself - I'd consider that murder.

If he was given the tools to do it. If he was encouraged to do it. Or "encouraged" (IE threatened) they are different versions of murder.

OR at least if you want to be technical some variation of manslaughter, or involuntary manslaughter.

Fair enough, I'd agree with all points here, I just thought what was being suggested was a more hands on murder, which I'm skeptical of. Supposedly he had damage to his neck, so I figured people were imagining someone being paid to strangle him.



HylianSwordsman said:
Y'all are too conspiracy happy. Doing something like what's being suggested would be too difficult to cover up if an investigation were to follow. The murder would be caught, and they'd be in even deeper doodoo. No, this was indeed a suicide. However, it's very possible that the people responsible for preventing a suicide were paid off, and that the space and method for him to do this were provided to him. It's also quite possible that he was encouraged to do it, or possibly "encouraged" to do it. That would all be much easier to hide than an actual murder. I'd be interested to see the visitor logs and maybe hear any phone calls he made.

Well, "encouraging" someone to commit suicide is actually murder, or close. But besides these semantics I agree with you.



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Some have actually predicted this was gonna happen. 

He attempted suicide weeks ago, he should've been kept under suicide watch. Cameras malfunctioned? too convenient. 




Well that's a conspiracy. The problem is that analysis shows having more than 7 people in on a secret massively increases the probability that the secret will be revealed.

So, he committed suicide 'coz he got caught and felt guilty. Most of the dirt probably is out in the open now (although you should only believe about 90% of it without a proper trial).



konnichiwa said:
HylianSwordsman said:
Y'all are too conspiracy happy. Doing something like what's being suggested would be too difficult to cover up if an investigation were to follow. The murder would be caught, and they'd be in even deeper doodoo. No, this was indeed a suicide. However, it's very possible that the people responsible for preventing a suicide were paid off, and that the space and method for him to do this were provided to him. It's also quite possible that he was encouraged to do it, or possibly "encouraged" to do it. That would all be much easier to hide than an actual murder. I'd be interested to see the visitor logs and maybe hear any phone calls he made.

The murderer would be caught but camera's were apparantly malfunctioning and this on a like a 'high' target.  He probably had information about some people (and honestly don't care if it were republicans/democrats) his suicide is very convenient.

Does not mean at all that he got murdered but you can't blame people thinking that someone murdered him.

The Federal Bureau of Prisons isn't renowned for being competent at its job, and in fact the federal prison system has shown itself to be shoddily run time and again. He was a high target, but he was also off of suicide watch. People can't simply be kept indefinitely on suicide watch, that's against the law and the Constitution. You have to be evaluated by a psychiatrist on a regular basis to see if continuing suicide watch is justified. If you give the psychiatrist all the right answers and you've done nothing else that suggests further suicidal ideation, they have to take you off. The prisoner could come back and file a lawsuit claiming their civil rights were violated. 

That said, most prison staff generally don't give two shits if a prisoner kills himself. The only thing they're worried about is being investigated. So for the most part, they don't really do more than the bare minimum of checking required at the time. If that.