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Yeah, this is just one of the several excuses that periodically comes up and it never holds up to even the slightest scrutiny. For one to even consider the idea that video games are a major cause behind these shootings you'd have to assume that no other country in the world has them since shootings aren't nearly the problem they are in the US.



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Ganoncrotch said:
VAMatt said:

This has to be one of the dumbest things ever said in this forum.  

1 in every 8333 people in the US will die to a gun, the country I live in 1 in every 114k people will die to a gun therefore if I was to move from here to the USA my chances of dying to a gun increase nearly 15x, sorry if that fact based on numbers upsets you living in the states, but you are 15 times more likely than me to die to a gun.

Unless your issue is with corn syrup or Thoughts and Prayers? I'm afraid your post doesn't really have any content/explanation for the dig.

Your implication that getting shot in the USA is common place is what's so ridiculous.  You didn't make a statistical analysis of the relative risk of getting shot until called out for your absurd claim.  



Darashiva said:
Yeah, this is just one of the several excuses that periodically comes up and it never holds up to even the slightest scrutiny. For one to even consider the idea that video games are a major cause behind these shootings you'd have to assume that no other country in the world has them since shootings aren't nearly the problem they are in the US.

Even though case studies prove otherwise, and statics of other countries with video games, disprove it.

Politicans need to be called out when they say things that are incorrect.
Esp on a news channel, there should be fact checkers, and journalists that make sure they dont try to pull a fast one.

And correct them when or *if* they do.
Says as much about fox news, as it does that shady house minority leader, that probably took a pay check from the NRA.

Im fine with them saying its a "personal belief, that gun ownership should be right" and such,
but they shouldnt justify tragics on videogames, when its cleary a gun issue.



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VAMatt said:
Ganoncrotch said:

1 in every 8333 people in the US will die to a gun, the country I live in 1 in every 114k people will die to a gun therefore if I was to move from here to the USA my chances of dying to a gun increase nearly 15x, sorry if that fact based on numbers upsets you living in the states, but you are 15 times more likely than me to die to a gun.

Unless your issue is with corn syrup or Thoughts and Prayers? I'm afraid your post doesn't really have any content/explanation for the dig.

Your implication that getting shot in the USA is common place is what's so ridiculous.  You didn't make a statistical analysis of the relative risk of getting shot until called out for your absurd claim.  

So the fact that you don't know that one in every 8333 people in the US will die to a gun means my comment which suggested that there was a higher chance of this happening in the States was dumb? Because you don't know the statistically chances of someone being shot in the country you live and how that is 15 times higher than say... where I live, that makes me and my comment dumb... because you didn't know that.

Ace logic there.

I hope there isn't anything in this comment you find hard to understand as well, but if there is please ask me to explain rather than chucking on the shit slinging shirt again, although I'll be honest, very unlikely to respond to explain it out.



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pokoko said:
Ganoncrotch said:

1 in every 8333 people in the US will die to a gun, the country I live in 1 in every 114k people will die to a gun therefore if I was to move from here to the USA my chances of dying to a gun increase nearly 15x, sorry if that fact based on numbers upsets you living in the states, but you are 15 times more likely than me to die to a gun.

Unless your issue is with corn syrup or Thoughts and Prayers? I'm afraid your post doesn't really have any content/explanation for the dig.

Honestly, you don't know what you're talking about if you're trying to spread out statistics evenly over a country the size of the United States.  I literally live 1,000 miles away from Chicago.  

I'm not sure how your proximity to Chicago comes into play here, are you suggesting that you haven't been shot so that disproves that people get shot in the states, the figure I used which is 12.something per 100,000 is great because it's a statistic per 100k people if you apply those stats to a country with fewer people then as you lower the number of population the stat stays the same so the actual number of people goes down getting shot. You could have a death to guns rate of 100 per 100,000 in a group of 100 people.... would mean that just one of them got shot and killed in a 10 year period, or .1 of a person per year.

The fact that across all of the United States that figure is scary enough at 1 per 8,333 but say if you were right, and there was great gun control and protection in half of the states there, which would mean that some states had 0 gun related deaths... say half the states had 0 gun deaths (just throwing out some simple math) but if that was the case, then the States where there was gun deaths would be far more dangerous, pushing their figures up to 1 in 4k which would be terrifyingly high in those area's.

Saying that 1 in 8,333 to me is scary high, looking further into this figure I found that a lot of those numbers were self inflicted suicide cases, which I guess makes sense that if you were going to end it all and had a gun at the ready it would be the fastest way to do that job.... but I will say as someone qualified in suicide emergency care, it's going to be a hell of a lot easier for me to cut someone down from a rope around their neck than it would be for me to try and triage a gunshot to the temple, so even if the deaths are suicide in nature if you were to remove the guns from the situation there is a chance that the person might rethink the harder to perform suicide or that EMT crew might be able to save the person from OD/Cutting/Jumping attempt on their own life.

But look just from an outsiders point of view, just on paper the death rate in USA to guns is a scary thing, compared to other stuff say for example cars you have 1 in every 4,000 people there will be hit by a car.... not killed, just hit, the number of people who will die to a road accident are 1 per 47k or nearly 6 times less likely than being shot and killed, simple fact of the matter is cars have a ton of checks in place to make sure they're in the hands of the correct owner, driven by someone safe, are checked to be road worthy... and also they're a means to get to jobs and children to school every day, unless someone is using a gun powered flintstones mobile to get to their job, guns do not have the same amount of practical uses as a car. But sorry for the tangent there, my point was today I will likely walk passed the number of people required for one of them to die to a gun if I lived in the states, that thought wouldn't sit well with me if I'm honest.



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Ganoncrotch said:
pokoko said:

Honestly, you don't know what you're talking about if you're trying to spread out statistics evenly over a country the size of the United States.  I literally live 1,000 miles away from Chicago.  

I'm not sure how your proximity to Chicago comes into play here, are you suggesting that you haven't been shot so that disproves that people get shot in the states, the figure I used which is 12.something per 100,000 is great because it's a statistic per 100k people if you apply those stats to a country with fewer people then as you lower the number of population the stat stays the same so the actual number of people goes down getting shot. You could have a death to guns rate of 100 per 100,000 in a group of 100 people.... would mean that just one of them got shot and killed in a 10 year period, or .1 of a person per year.

The fact that across all of the United States that figure is scary enough at 1 per 8,333 but say if you were right, and there was great gun control and protection in half of the states there, which would mean that some states had 0 gun related deaths... say half the states had 0 gun deaths (just throwing out some simple math) but if that was the case, then the States where there was gun deaths would be far more dangerous, pushing their figures up to 1 in 4k which would be terrifyingly high in those area's.

Saying that 1 in 8,333 to me is scary high, looking further into this figure I found that a lot of those numbers were self inflicted suicide cases, which I guess makes sense that if you were going to end it all and had a gun at the ready it would be the fastest way to do that job.... but I will say as someone qualified in suicide emergency care, it's going to be a hell of a lot easier for me to cut someone down from a rope around their neck than it would be for me to try and triage a gunshot to the temple, so even if the deaths are suicide in nature if you were to remove the guns from the situation there is a chance that the person might rethink the harder to perform suicide or that EMT crew might be able to save the person from OD/Cutting/Jumping attempt on their own life.

But look just from an outsiders point of view, just on paper the death rate in USA to guns is a scary thing, compared to other stuff say for example cars you have 1 in every 4,000 people there will be hit by a car.... not killed, just hit, the number of people who will die to a road accident are 1 per 47k or nearly 6 times less likely than being shot and killed, simple fact of the matter is cars have a ton of checks in place to make sure they're in the hands of the correct owner, driven by someone safe, are checked to be road worthy... and also they're a means to get to jobs and children to school every day, unless someone is using a gun powered flintstones mobile to get to their job, guns do not have the same amount of practical uses as a car. But sorry for the tangent there, my point was today I will likely walk passed the number of people required for one of them to die to a gun if I lived in the states, that thought wouldn't sit well with me if I'm honest.

I think the point is that the average American has a statistically tiny chance of dying at the hands of a gun in the United States. There is a very very small subset of the population that is at a significantly elevated risk.  And even for those at risk, the gun statistic is misleading. If guns weren't available, many of those people would be at an elevated risk of a dying by knife, baseball bat, or some other weapon.

In other words, while your numbers may be technically correct (I'm not sure that they are, as there are numbers that people use to paint a drastically different picture as well.  But, for purposes of this conversation, we can stipulate that you're correct) you are painting an inaccurate picture of life in the United States. If you honestly believe that the risk of death by gun is so high in the United States, you are in serious need of a trip here to see how things actually work.



JRPGfan said:
Darashiva said:
Yeah, this is just one of the several excuses that periodically comes up and it never holds up to even the slightest scrutiny. For one to even consider the idea that video games are a major cause behind these shootings you'd have to assume that no other country in the world has them since shootings aren't nearly the problem they are in the US.



Politicans need to be called out when they say things that are incorrect.

And people do but with every statement it gets divided between people who say:

Facts prove incorrect statements =  The statement is Fake news
Feelings don't want to agree with facts = Facts become Fake news.


If a large group feels a certain way even when facts show they are wrong politicians will still use it to get votes.    






Well, one thing is for certain, with Congress out of session until Sept. 9, not much will get done until then - on anything.



No surprise, but Trump has jumped on this too. He did much the same in Feb-March 2018.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/aug/05/trump-news-today-el-paso-shooting-ohio-media-politics-latest




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Nighthawk117 said:
Well, one thing is for certain, with Congress out of session until Sept. 9, not much will get done until then - on anything.

Fixed this for you.