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House minority leader trying to blame video games for mass shootings. Update: Walmart pulls violent video game ads for 2 weeks

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VAMatt said:
I'll go ahead and bow out of this conversation after this. What we seem to have here is a bunch of non-Americans pretending to speak on American culture, and life in the USA with authority. There are a couple of Americans in here trying to constructively contribute to the conversation, with first-hand knowledge and experience. But, many of y'all persist in thinking that you know better than the people that actually live through this stuff. I hope you guys recognize that you are simply living in a state of ignorance. You all might think back on the old adage about statistics and who uses them.

Also, this topic should be moved to the politics forum. It hasn't really been about gaming for a couple of days now.

Yea I agree that this probably should be moved to politics forum since the thread has spiral out of control.  When I first made the thread I was debating whether to put it in gaming or politics but chose gaming because I felt like the gaming industry was under threat (even though from political forces).  Now it totally seems to be moved to politics.

I live in USA and don't mind people throwing around facts about gun violence.  Sure it can be misleading depending on your race, where you live, etc.. but we still have major issue with killing ourselves.  Maybe it started happening more when we shut down almost all the insane asylums and thought we could drug the crazies into an existence in society (along with lax gun regulations)?  I don't really have the answers but I know for sure that assault rifles should be reserved for military use. 

Anyways, I have never felt the need to own a gun for protection.  I'm big enough guy that hardly anyone ever fucks with me (plus I'm usually polite to most people in public unlike my usual asshole self here).  Also, I do the world a favor by not owning a gun (have used friend's guns on ranch before for target practice) because my dumb ass would have probably already shot someone by now.  I'm a big enough weapon as is and if I need a weapon I'll pick up any household item and make it one.  I don't go out in public much (not that I'm scared I just hate traffic and lots of people in one area) so I don't think I have to worry about being a gun victim.



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Ganoncrotch said:
So it still going to come back to... unless we go sit down in someones spare room with them for a day and observe us not getting shot while staying there... that means that there is no gun/murder issue in the States? Or while people are from another country we are not able to observe numbers or understand what being murdered means?

From Wiki on the subject, regarding US VS Developed countries.
The U.S. is ranked 4th out of 34 developed nations for the highest incidence rate of homicides committed with a firearm, according to Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) data. Mexico, Turkey, Estonia are ranked ahead of the U.S. in incidence of homicides. A U.S. male aged 15–24 is 70 times more likely to be killed with a gun than their counterpart in the eight (G-8) largest industrialized nations in the world (United Kingdom, France, Germany, Japan, Canada, Italy, Russia).

Now.... you might think, 70 times sounds crazy because you haven't been shot, but those figures aren't drawn up from a magic 8 ball or from my Irish flag... those are figures, they are the statistics, I'm not sure why there is some sort of rebellion against the numbers being a thing which explain the number of gun homicide right there in black and white. Could people at least put forwards another possible reason for the 70x increased chance of murder by gun there for that age bracket? Maybe the matrix was more popular in the states and people are still doing test trials to see if they're Neo?


Or is the USA version of the youtube prank going wrong just... something that can go extra wrong because guns are present.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/youtube-shooting-death-monalisa-perez-pedro-ruiz-a8257411.html
That story still blows me away when you see the power of the gun she used on her husband.

Obviously you can have an opinion on anything you want. That's not what I'm talking about, and you know it. There are people in this thread talking about "gun culture" and other aspects of the American experience that have no expertise in these areas.  And, that's fine.  What is not fine is to act as though the experts (in this case, the people that live in the USA) don't know what they're talking about, because their opinions don't align with ones cherry picked statistics.  

A good half of this thread is about American culture and life in the USA. Everyone should be welcome to participate in that thread. But, trying to tell the Americans that they are wrong about their own lives and their own culture is, frankly, laughably ridiculous.



Guess I won't be buying games from Walmart anytime ever again. I mean, I rarely ever did, but I'll make it an explicit goal now, ignoring promotions and the like.



HylianSwordsman said:
Guess I won't be buying games from Walmart anytime ever again. I mean, I rarely ever did, but I'll make it an explicit goal now, ignoring promotions and the like.

Worst Walmart experience I ever had was I bought a rock CD from them early 2000s...  Damn thing was censored copy.  Believed I returned it next day telling them that I didn't know it was a censored album.  At least they let me return it I believe even though I opened it.



The second I heard Ttump mention video games in a speech supposed to talk about the gun problem, I could have triple face palmed if I had 3 hands. Why is anyone, (gamers especially) still taking this man seriously?



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The Last Belmont said:
The second I heard Ttump mention video games in a speech supposed to talk about the gun problem, I could have triple face palmed if I had 3 hands. Why is anyone, (gamers especially) still taking this man seriously?

I'm picturing ehonda 100 hand slapping his own face :D



Fancy hearing me on an amateur podcast with friends gushing over one of my favourite games? https://youtu.be/1I7JfMMxhf8

video games no, GTA yes

there should be some research at least on the effect on perception and importance of human life on kids, teenagers and adults that play GTA

taking into account that not only it is close to real live virtual terrorism, it is the best selling game ever, therefore it is common sense that 10s of millions of children are having access to it despite law restrictions and parents do not give a shit, there should be some research first in order to study the effect on human psychology and then act accordingly



dark_gh0st_b0y said:
video games no, GTA yes

there should be some research at least on the effect on perception and importance of human life on kids, teenagers and adults that play GTA

taking into account that not only it is close to real live virtual terrorism, it is the best selling game ever, therefore it is common sense that 10s of millions of children are having access to it despite law restrictions and parents do not give a shit, there should be some research first in order to study the effect on human psychology and then act accordingly

There has been a ton of research done.  There is no link.  Video games don't fuck people up in any way.  



dark_gh0st_b0y said:
video games no, GTA yes

there should be some research at least on the effect on perception and importance of human life on kids, teenagers and adults that play GTA

taking into account that not only it is close to real live virtual terrorism, it is the best selling game ever, therefore it is common sense that 10s of millions of children are having access to it despite law restrictions and parents do not give a shit, there should be some research first in order to study the effect on human psychology and then act accordingly

It's been researched, exhaustively so....no link.  Further, it's a bad argument to start with.

1. GTA is played all around the world.

2. Mass shootings in the US have existed long before GTA was a game.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

I blame the current state of affairs on the Columbine shooting. It happened back in April of 1999.
The assault weapons ban was passed in 1994 (it expired in 2004), and did not prevent this mass shooting.

The shooters were motivated from watching the movie "The Matrix," which had released only 1 month earlier.
Therefore, I blame Hollywood for glorifying guns - making them look cool to own - much like Hollywood did
with cigarettes for decades. Hollywood is the problem, not video games.