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Might as well ban Cars, they also cause a mass amount of deaths per year.
How about fix the solution by educating rather than taking something away via the blame game.



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Ganoncrotch said:
pokoko said:

You don't know a thing about where I live and I don't give a single, solitary fuck about Ireland.  I know nothing about it and I have no interest in it.  Why you have so much interest in where I live, I don't know and I guess I really shouldn't care.  Really, who the fuck are you and your opinions about where I live to me?  As for your "you don't like averages" bullshit, wow, that was goofy as hell.  

In the end, if you can't understand the ignorance of applying a flat average over a country the size of the United States and then pretending that the same rate applies everywhere, then there is nothing I can do about that.  If that's who you are then that's who you are.  

You quoted me first with nonsense and every step I bothered to waste time to explain my position to you while each time you close your eyes to numbers and facts and just sling shit and name call.

Here's your first interaction with me in this thread, if you don't care about my opinion then don't call it out or question it.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9041932

Don't really have time for someone asking me a question or questioning my posts and then starting to flip shit about how much they don't care about the reply.

The nonsense started with your initial failure to understand that broad scope statistics without context are the epitome of ignorance.  Let me quote it again--"I was to move from here to the USA my chances of dying to a gun increase nearly 15x, sorry if that fact based on numbers upsets you living in the states, but you are 15 times more likely than me to die to a gun." Now, the obvious ignorance of applying a flat statistic aside, what especially got my attention was the completely insincere "haha sorry if you don't like it" bullshit.  That's what really showed me what kind of person you are, someone that would use a tragedy to mock and attack.

What I think of you for saying something like that aside--and I assure you that my respect for you after that is in the gutter--you even went on to explain how silly that kind of statistic is yourself.  "MA the death rate there is still 4.25 that of Ireland, taking a trip to the worst states for it of Alaska and Alabama then the probability of death by gun is increased 29.125x"

Now, I mean, you think 4.25 is the same as 29.12?  Pardon me, I never say this, but lol.

"Hey, would you rather have this food with a 4% chance of causing cancer or this food with a 29% chance of causing cancer?"

"Oh, you just take the average so it works out to the same thing in the end."

Heh.  Even to arrive at that number means that you consider yourself to be someone close to violent or illegal activity. 

“If you don’t know the people in the network and you’re not hanging out with them and you’re not engaging in exchanges with them, then you’re probably not at very high risk,” said Tracey Meares, a Yale professor who has studied gun violence.  Source

I mean, if that's you, cool, but don't assume everyone else in the United States is hanging out with gang members.

Papachristos’s work relies on a key insight that experts have long known but was rarely discussed publicly: The victims and perpetrators of violence are largely the same people. Reducing gun violence, then, requires focusing on exactly the murders that rarely get attention — murders like Damond Peters’s.

“If you want to shift the discussion about gun violence and if you want a lower homicide rate, that means you need to save the lives of the people getting shot,” Papachristos said. “If you want to drive the rate down, you’ve got to save the lives of young men with felony convictions.”  Source

Yeah, I consider your original statement to be blind and ignorant bullshit, though I expect you to keep pretending it's true that somehow, magically, everyone in the US has the same exact risk of being shot.  It's a meaningless misuse of statistics that does nothing but highlight the fact that you're talking about a place you know nothing about.  

In short, it's just flat-out untrue.  Even worse, it distorts the real picture and the real problems.



VAMatt said:
As an American reading this thread, my biggest takeaway is that people have very inaccurate pictures of what life in the US is like. It sounds like many of you get all of your knowledge about the US from television news. And, clearly your TV news is as bad as ours.

I have a guest bedroom available in the Washington, DC area for anyone that wants to come stay a little while and see what it is actually like.

It's not just the fact that they are ignorant, it's the fact that they think they know what they're talking about that makes it so frustrating.

I mean, the very idea that everyone in the United States has the same flat risk of being the victim of gun violence is so divorced from reality that it's mind-boggling.  You can't just look at gross statistics, average them up, and then just smear them across everything like a coat of paint.  At that point it's so untrue that it might as well be fantasy.



Azzanation said:
Might as well ban Cars, they also cause a mass amount of deaths per year.
How about fix the solution by educating rather than taking something away via the blame game.

The car argument is one of the dumbest arguments I have seen, and I see it often.  Cars are a requirement in a modern day society, guns are not.  Apples and eggplant.  And this country pushes year after year to make cars safer.    

But since you brought up cars, note they require training classes and a state authorized license.  A person can't just start driving around because Murica.  Also note bad (dangerous) drivers can have their license revoked and they aren't allowed to drive anymore....  Additionally, drivers are required to carry insurance....  hey, maybe we should start treating guns like we do cars!

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Conina said:
o_O.Q said:

so your answer is yes

"there is an inherent contradiction between living in a peaceful nation"

no such thing has ever existed or will ever exist, what do you think prison is for?

Do you really want to talk about prisons?

Another topic where the USA doesn't look too good, both by incarceration rate and by the treatment of the prisoners compared to other civilized/wealthy countries. The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.


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"Another topic where the USA doesn't look too good, both by incarceration rate and by the treatment of the prisoners compared to other civilized/wealthy countries. The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."

comparing entirely different countries that vary widely in terms of culture, demographics etc etc etc isn't a sensible thing to me but regardless that wasn't even my point

my point was that in those countries prisons still exist right? what is the purpose of those prisons?



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o_O.Q said:
Conina said:

Do you really want to talk about prisons?

Another topic where the USA doesn't look too good, both by incarceration rate and by the treatment of the prisoners compared to other civilized/wealthy countries. The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.

comparing entirely different countries that vary widely in terms of culture, demographics etc etc etc isn't a sensible thing to me

Different countries get compared all the time and of course that's sensible.

Also the culture between USA, Canada, Australia and many European countries ain't that different. They have a common history (besides native Americans, most Americans have roots to Europe, only a few generations ago) and the movies/books/games/shows/sports popular in the different Western countries are quite similar. The school system in these countries is quite similar. The curricular contents teached in these schools are quite similar. The age demographics in these countries are quite similar.

Both Western countries with a much higher population density and Western countries with a much lower population density than the USA have much lower incarceration rates than the USA (Western countries with a similar population density, too)... so what is the reason that the USA has to lock up that many people per capita? And why do they have to treat their prisoners worse than other Western countries although they always boast about the wealth of the USA compared to other countries?

Again: the degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.



Conina said:
o_O.Q said:

comparing entirely different countries that vary widely in terms of culture, demographics etc etc etc isn't a sensible thing to me

Different countries get compared all the time and of course that's sensible.

Also the culture between USA, Canada, Australia and many European countries ain't that different. They have a common history (besides native Americans, most Americans have roots to Europe, only a few generations ago) and the movies/books/games/shows/sports popular in the different Western countries are quite similar. The school system in these countries is quite similar. The curricular contents teached in these schools are quite similar. The age demographics in these countries are quite similar.

Both Western countries with a much higher population density and Western countries with a much lower population density than the USA have much lower incarceration rates than the USA (Western countries with a similar population density, too)... so what is the reason that the USA has to lock up that many people per capita? And why do they have to treat their prisoners worse than other Western countries although they always boast about the wealth of the USA compared to other countries?

Again: the degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.

climb down off your soapbox buddy, prison stats have absolutely nothing to do with my original argument

what is the purpose of prison?



Chrkeller said:

The car argument is one of the dumbest arguments I have seen, and I see it often.  Cars are a requirement in a modern day society, guns are not.  Apples and eggplant.  And this country pushes year after year to make cars safer.    

But since you brought up cars, note they require training classes and a state authorized license.  A person can't just start driving around because Murica.  Also note bad (dangerous) drivers can have their license revoked and they aren't allowed to drive anymore....  Additionally, drivers are required to carry insurance....  hey, maybe we should start treating guns like we do cars!

My sarcasm post went over your head. I am not saying to ban cars, i am saying banning and blaming things because they have the protential to kill people like games or guns is stupid.

Humans prove time and time again that instead of fixing the real issue, we just blame it on things because we believe that solves violence.

Tell me Mr.. what video games or guns were they using in the medieval days? From what i recall we were more violent back than it is now. Is that due to a lack of education? I think so.

If we want to be desperate and ban things than why not cars? They cost more lives than anything in this world. And you are wrong, we dont need cars, we can invest in full Public transport and take cars away. It will save alot more lives than taking guns or games away. 

In Australia we had 2 maniacs run over dozens of people recently in a busy street because there mental. Its easy to get a car license and over the years people change. So even through i say dont ban cars, if we want to avoid deaths than cars is high up on the list.



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CaptainExplosion said:
Typical Republican morons. I enjoy Doom and Metal Slug, but you don't see me carrying out mass shootings in El Paso.

Because you live in Canada?