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Wyrdness said:

The problem is you didn't really say much to begin with and ignored certain factors with your post like how on Switch third parties don't need nearly as many sales as they do on other platforms which is why third party support keeps growing and why companies like Bethesda keep releasing games on the platform as well as a lot of games coming from indie developers or being AA. It's not hard to see why he didn't get what ever it is you're trying to say because Nintendo's platforms don't rely on third parties and haven't in a very long time so the double edged sword you try to paint here doesn't really exist as GC had more support than both N64 and Wii and sold less than both its always been the concept of the platform that has sold it the first party games then end up selling well because they tend to be built around the said concept of utilize its features and if the concept is appealing the platform does well which causes a situation third parties can't afford to ignore.

Well, i guess i get your points, but i definitively disagree. It's a matter of perspective i guess. For the people that have loved Nintendo games since chilhood my comment must sound stupid. From someone who grew up playing PC games and then PS games, i never felt the need to buy a Nintendo home console. Luckily i had friends over the years that had allowed me to play Nintendo games on their consoles. I loved every main Zelda i played (i finished most of them), i liked a lot each Mario (Galaxy 1 and 2 are masterpieces), Pokemon, DK and Metroid i played. I never cared about Mario Kart or Smash Bros and i still don't.

In my case, (as many other people i suspect because i can't be the only one) i would love to play Zelda BOTW or Mario Odyssey on my own console, but that's just 2 games. Having ports of great old games that have never been on Switch is not a plus for me at all. Indie games are on PC and PS4 too so if i want to play them i can access them whenever i want. Some of my favorite Japanese franchises doesn't appear at all on Switch (Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, ....) I like Western games as much as Japanese games, but there's an absolute lack of new Western games on Switch. Just for that a Switch is an automatic No for me, and when i see the lack of support from the big japanese and western developers in 2019, i can feel it won't get any better on 2020, 2021 and in the future.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people that has been feeling like this with Nintendo for years or decades. Nintendo seems to not want to convince people like me to buy one of their consoles. 

That's what i ultimately tried to say,  that..., yes Nintendo doesn't need 3rd party games to be succesful but that I need 3rd party games to buy a Nintendo console. I want their Nintendo exclusives and the 3rd Party support with new GTA's, COD's, Assassin's Creeds, Final Fantasy's, Resident Evil's, ...

That's what my "mixed impression" really meant. I can't deny this formula works wonders for Nintedo but this was not the directon i wanted for Switch, completely egoistically speaking. Switch has ended being another N64, another Wii, ... instead of the true SNES successor i really wanted. That and the fact that i really believe basing your success only in your first gaming lineup is more risky than having an extended, varied 3rd party supported library of games.

I guess this is the most sincere post i ever put here, but i'm pretty sure it will still annoy somebody......



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Really successful, and unsurprising. By the end of this calendar year, it could very well hit SNES numbers. At the very latest, it will hit that benchmark by the end of the fiscal year with the release of Animal Crossing: New Horizons (which will be a system seller).

As it is right now, I'm confident the Switch will hit 3DS lifetime sales. Game Boy Advance numbers are relatively likely too. It's not very unlikely the Switch will surpass the Wii, but I don't see it happening. Despite the Switch being a hybrid (and a dedicated handheld model coming out), I really do think the PS5 and Xbox Scarlett will take some of its sales.



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

PS4: 122 mil (was 100 million) Xbox One: 55 mil (was 50 mil) Switch: 79 million

3DS: 77 mil (was 73 million)

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colafitte said:

Well, i guess i get your points, but i definitively disagree. It's a matter of perspective i guess. For the people that have loved Nintendo games since chilhood my comment must sound stupid. From someone who grew up playing PC games and then PS games, i never felt the need to buy a Nintendo home console. Luckily i had friends over the years that had allowed me to play Nintendo games on their consoles. I loved every main Zelda i played (i finished most of them), i liked a lot each Mario (Galaxy 1 and 2 are masterpieces), Pokemon, DK and Metroid i played. I never cared about Mario Kart or Smash Bros and i still don't.

In my case, (as many other people i suspect because i can't be the only one) i would love to play Zelda BOTW or Mario Odyssey on my own console, but that's just 2 games. Having ports of great old games that have never been on Switch is not a plus for me at all. Indie games are on PC and PS4 too so if i want to play them i can access them whenever i want. Some of my favorite Japanese franchises doesn't appear at all on Switch (Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, ....) I like Western games as much as Japanese games, but there's an absolute lack of new Western games on Switch. Just for that a Switch is an automatic No for me, and when i see the lack of support from the big japanese and western developers in 2019, i can feel it won't get any better on 2020, 2021 and in the future.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people that has been feeling like this with Nintendo for years or decades. Nintendo seems to not want to convince people like me to buy one of their consoles. 

That's what i ultimately tried to say,  that..., yes Nintendo doesn't need 3rd party games to be succesful but that I need 3rd party games to buy a Nintendo console. I want their Nintendo exclusives and the 3rd Party support with new GTA's, COD's, Assassin's Creeds, Final Fantasy's, Resident Evil's, ...

That's what my "mixed impression" really meant. I can't deny this formula works wonders for Nintedo but this was not the directon i wanted for Switch, completely egoistically speaking. Switch has ended being another N64, another Wii, ... instead of the true SNES successor i really wanted. That and the fact that i really believe basing your success only in your first gaming lineup is more risky than having an extended, varied 3rd party supported library of games.

I guess this is the most sincere post i ever put here, but i'm pretty sure it will still annoy somebody......

Nintendo don't feel the need to convince you because as you've said here they've never appealed to you to begin with you you wouldn't bother trying to market meat to vegetarians for example and your assessment of Switch's games is off because games like Doom Eternal, Wolfenstein, Octopath, Hollow Knight, Outer Worlds, Bloodstained, Valkryria 4, Trine 3, Trials of Mana remake etc... are not old great games they're recent or upcoming games, objectively Switch doesn't lack anything that makes a platform great regardless whether it appeals to you the's no real lack of anything here. You're using your subjective taste in your views when the are objective factors that say otherwise and that's the issue in your argument and why some people may find it annoying, for example right now from July to December Switch has a load of games coming out that are likely to be really good more so than the other platforms you may not find them appealing but it doesn't change this fact.

Basing your success on first party is actually far more reliable than relying on third parties both Sony and Nintendo realized this long ago and MS have realized this recently why? Because exclusivity factors heavily in swaying consumers GTA and all that are available across many platforms to the point they aren't selling points for your platform anymore it's the likes of Mario, Zelda, GOW, Halo etc... Third parties at any point can jump ship or on any bandwagon as they're not trying to sell your platform just their own software. Fact is Nintendo has a line up of games that will have a fair share of 10m sellers with possibly some 20m sellers come the end of the Switch's life and this is due to building success off their own back then relying on others to do it for them the result is whether you get the likes of COD or not you still will have 10m-20m selling software to push your hardware.



What has it been, 2 years?
Heck, ps4 better watch out.



Wyrdness said:
colafitte said:

Well, i guess i get your points, but i definitively disagree. It's a matter of perspective i guess. For the people that have loved Nintendo games since chilhood my comment must sound stupid. From someone who grew up playing PC games and then PS games, i never felt the need to buy a Nintendo home console. Luckily i had friends over the years that had allowed me to play Nintendo games on their consoles. I loved every main Zelda i played (i finished most of them), i liked a lot each Mario (Galaxy 1 and 2 are masterpieces), Pokemon, DK and Metroid i played. I never cared about Mario Kart or Smash Bros and i still don't.

In my case, (as many other people i suspect because i can't be the only one) i would love to play Zelda BOTW or Mario Odyssey on my own console, but that's just 2 games. Having ports of great old games that have never been on Switch is not a plus for me at all. Indie games are on PC and PS4 too so if i want to play them i can access them whenever i want. Some of my favorite Japanese franchises doesn't appear at all on Switch (Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, ....) I like Western games as much as Japanese games, but there's an absolute lack of new Western games on Switch. Just for that a Switch is an automatic No for me, and when i see the lack of support from the big japanese and western developers in 2019, i can feel it won't get any better on 2020, 2021 and in the future.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people that has been feeling like this with Nintendo for years or decades. Nintendo seems to not want to convince people like me to buy one of their consoles. 

That's what i ultimately tried to say,  that..., yes Nintendo doesn't need 3rd party games to be succesful but that I need 3rd party games to buy a Nintendo console. I want their Nintendo exclusives and the 3rd Party support with new GTA's, COD's, Assassin's Creeds, Final Fantasy's, Resident Evil's, ...

That's what my "mixed impression" really meant. I can't deny this formula works wonders for Nintedo but this was not the directon i wanted for Switch, completely egoistically speaking. Switch has ended being another N64, another Wii, ... instead of the true SNES successor i really wanted. That and the fact that i really believe basing your success only in your first gaming lineup is more risky than having an extended, varied 3rd party supported library of games.

I guess this is the most sincere post i ever put here, but i'm pretty sure it will still annoy somebody......

Nintendo don't feel the need to convince you because as you've said here they've never appealed to you to begin with you you wouldn't bother trying to market meat to vegetarians for example and your assessment of Switch's games is off because games like Doom Eternal, Wolfenstein, Octopath, Hollow Knight, Outer Worlds, Bloodstained, Valkryria 4, Trine 3, Trials of Mana remake etc... are not old great games they're recent or upcoming games, objectively Switch doesn't lack anything that makes a platform great regardless whether it appeals to you the's no real lack of anything here. You're using your subjective taste in your views when the are objective factors that say otherwise and that's the issue in your argument and why some people may find it annoying, for example right now from July to December Switch has a load of games coming out that are likely to be really good more so than the other platforms you may not find them appealing but it doesn't change this fact.

Basing your success on first party is actually far more reliable than relying on third parties both Sony and Nintendo realized this long ago and MS have realized this recently why? Because exclusivity factors heavily in swaying consumers GTA and all that are available across many platforms to the point they aren't selling points for your platform anymore it's the likes of Mario, Zelda, GOW, Halo etc... Third parties at any point can jump ship or on any bandwagon as they're not trying to sell your platform just their own software. Fact is Nintendo has a line up of games that will have a fair share of 10m sellers with possibly some 20m sellers come the end of the Switch's life and this is due to building success off their own back then relying on others to do it for them the result is whether you get the likes of COD or not you still will have 10m-20m selling software to push your hardware.

As i said..., all of those games i can play it right now, whenever i want. Most of them have or are coming even way later than on PS4 or PC, and to be honest..., they are not interesting to me at all. I already told you what games i like. 

You saying Switch doesn't lack anything that makes a platform great is completely subjective. It's completely lacking for me, and i'm pretty sure for a lot of people, but hey, I was just trying to explain my point of view which is just that, a point of view. You can try to understand it or not.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo software will always sell more or less great. And i'm pretty sure i will still not buy a console like this from Nintendo. And because of people like me Switch won't reach the success a Nintendo home console could reach.......in my opinion, of course.



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colafitte said:
Wyrdness said:

The problem is you didn't really say much to begin with and ignored certain factors with your post like how on Switch third parties don't need nearly as many sales as they do on other platforms which is why third party support keeps growing and why companies like Bethesda keep releasing games on the platform as well as a lot of games coming from indie developers or being AA. It's not hard to see why he didn't get what ever it is you're trying to say because Nintendo's platforms don't rely on third parties and haven't in a very long time so the double edged sword you try to paint here doesn't really exist as GC had more support than both N64 and Wii and sold less than both its always been the concept of the platform that has sold it the first party games then end up selling well because they tend to be built around the said concept of utilize its features and if the concept is appealing the platform does well which causes a situation third parties can't afford to ignore.

Well, i guess i get your points, but i definitively disagree. It's a matter of perspective i guess. For the people that have loved Nintendo games since chilhood my comment must sound stupid. From someone who grew up playing PC games and then PS games, i never felt the need to buy a Nintendo home console. Luckily i had friends over the years that had allowed me to play Nintendo games on their consoles. I loved every main Zelda i played (i finished most of them), i liked a lot each Mario (Galaxy 1 and 2 are masterpieces), Pokemon, DK and Metroid i played. I never cared about Mario Kart or Smash Bros and i still don't.

In my case, (as many other people i suspect because i can't be the only one) i would love to play Zelda BOTW or Mario Odyssey on my own console, but that's just 2 games. Having ports of great old games that have never been on Switch is not a plus for me at all. Indie games are on PC and PS4 too so if i want to play them i can access them whenever i want. Some of my favorite Japanese franchises doesn't appear at all on Switch (Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, ....) I like Western games as much as Japanese games, but there's an absolute lack of new Western games on Switch. Just for that a Switch is an automatic No for me, and when i see the lack of support from the big japanese and western developers in 2019, i can feel it won't get any better on 2020, 2021 and in the future.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people that has been feeling like this with Nintendo for years or decades. Nintendo seems to not want to convince people like me to buy one of their consoles. 

That's what i ultimately tried to say,  that..., yes Nintendo doesn't need 3rd party games to be succesful but that I need 3rd party games to buy a Nintendo console. I want their Nintendo exclusives and the 3rd Party support with new GTA's, COD's, Assassin's Creeds, Final Fantasy's, Resident Evil's, ...

That's what my "mixed impression" really meant. I can't deny this formula works wonders for Nintedo but this was not the directon i wanted for Switch, completely egoistically speaking. Switch has ended being another N64, another Wii, ... instead of the true SNES successor i really wanted. That and the fact that i really believe basing your success only in your first gaming lineup is more risky than having an extended, varied 3rd party supported library of games.

I guess this is the most sincere post i ever put here, but i'm pretty sure it will still annoy somebody......

I for one appreciate your candor.  You are a fan of a certain style of game and have certain expectations for your gaming experiences. For you those experiences happen on the Playstation.  The issue I take is for people to keep demanding that Nintendo jump through their hoops to win them back, while the other companies don't even try to court the average Nintendo gamer.  Nintendo is at least trying in their own way to reach as many people as possible within their own obviously limiting architecture.  It's almost a miracle what they've been able to do this time around and sometimes it just sucks when people still go to the old arguments of declaring them difficult to work with.  

The days of the SNES are long, long gone.  At that point there were two major console manufacturers and Nintendo were of course the go-to console of choice for third parties.  They obviously made several blunders in that era, leading as we all know to the creation of Nintendo's biggest rival, Sony. I don't think I have any beef with your personally, or your statement.  I was simply responding to the cliche, and you can't deny that it is one.  And I'm not saying the statement is without merit, but at some point we have to at least give Nintendo some credit for playing well with others.  And while I was once an avid Playstation gamer, sadly they've left my gaming tastes behind and it's be, as you put it, egotistical for me to suggest that catering to my cartoony, silly tastes to win back my loyalty.  Each of these manufacturers have found a pretty substantial portion of the market and for us gamers it's just a win-win-win situation.  And yes, sometimes you'll have to drop down some cash to buy a console for one game.  I swear if Sony ever decides to have Naughty Dog revisit Jak and Daxter like the good 'ol days you'd see me paying a premium for the experience.



Soundwave said:
dx11332sega said:
Before pokemon and animal crossing too very impressive

Pokemon Lets Go is at almost 11 million ... I'm pretty sure a good chunk of those are the people who will be buying the so-called "real" Pokemon.

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Barkley said:
OTBWY said:


About the part in bold: Some people on this site (not naming names) tried to convince others here that the Switch is not competing with the Playstation or the Xbox. So why would it be competing with the Scarlett and PS5? Seems like a lot of wishful thinking for when it suits another curious narrative.

The Switch isn't directly competing with the PlayStation or Xbox, so yes it won't be directly competing with Scarlett/PS5 either. Though that doesn't necessary mean the PS5/Scarlett won't cause a reduction in third party support for the Switch. They just won't cause a reduction in sales of the Switch, because the success of the Switch, like any Nintendo Console, is not reliant on third party software.

They are not direct competitors because the success of one does not impact the success of another. Unlike PlayStation/Xbox. No matter how well the PS5/Scarlett do, the Switch will still be doing great. The Switch entering the market with a hugely successful launch year had no impact on sales of the PS4, and PS5 if it has a very succesful launch will not be detrimental to the Switch either.

The fact of the matter is that it is competing. And the hypocrisy only comes in when it is a benefit to disadvantage the Switch and downplay its success in the face of its competitors. Because they do compete, for the consumers time, money, shelfspace. It is all part of the same industry, video game entertainment. Hence, it does not make any sense to say that they don't compete since there isn't even a difference in demographics. It's not kids versus older teens buying one or the other, it's more closer than you think.

It's all about the software that will make the Switch perform great well into Scarletts and PS5's respective launches. Because it will have a very good established library with a great exclusive lineup and many good 3rd party titles to choose from, on the go. Eventually, it will end like every other console. And then the next iterations will come to compete with that generation and so forth. This idea that they are not competing doesn't make sense.



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colafitte said:
OTBWY said:

I know you're trying to reintroduce this "3rd party won't sell on Nintendo" narrative, but is there actual real data behind this. We don't have exact numbers on software on this site anymore, I kind of want you to elaborate on your conclusion.

About the part in bold: Some people on this site (not naming names) tried to convince others here that the Switch is not competing with the Playstation or the Xbox. So why would it be competing with the Scarlett and PS5? Seems like a lot of wishful thinking for when it suits another curious narrative.

Let me explain then...

1st thing. We have the list of the best 12 selling games on Switch according to Nintendo (all of them 1st party), i summed the number and it gave me 100M games sold. We have 210M units of software sold on Switch. My point was that Nintendo games represent most of the sales of the console. I found that "an unbalanced strategy of success" as i explained in that point. You are welcome to agree or disagree.

The second point is related to the first. If Nintendo has not received great support from EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Capcom, ... until now, with the launch of next gen consoles and the focus those companies are going to made into PS5 and XBO, i think there's even less chances that Switch will receive more support than the one is receiving right now. I was not saying PS5 sales will impact Switch sales. So no, no curious narrative, is very straight forward what i was saying and based on actual data provided by Nintendo, just maths.

In conclusion: Nintendo Switch is mainly a Nintendo games console, that's all.

Well let me tell you one thing. If Nintendo games were out on the Playstation or Xbox, they would be the highest selling games on those too. That's what you get when you are a studio with great output and great IPs. But on a more serious note, besides the good selection of triple A titles it doesn't get, and the games that it does get, how do you still come to that conclusion. You only gave some selective titles, but leave out others. You see, this is why I take issue with this, because you don't have actual numbers. Only the knowledge that Nintendo games sell great.. on their own platform. Which doesn't exactly mean third parties it does get, sell like shit. It's an assumption.



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OTBWY said:

This idea that they are not competing doesn't make sense.

You're right, because they are indirectly competing.

XBO/PS4 is direct competition because the better one sells the worse the other will sell.

Switch/PS4 or XBO is indirect competition because a massively successful switch won't have a big negative impact on a PlayStation or Xbox console.

PlayStation and Xbox are both fighting over the same scraps, and a person is much less likely to own both a PlayStation and Xbox than both a PS/XB and a Switch.

Though even if you reject the terminology, it's indisputable that PlayStation/Xbox have many more similarities and are much closer linked in competition than the Switch.



Predictions (Made July 2019)

LTD: PS4 - 130m, Switch - 110m, XBO - 52m       2019 : PS4 - 15m, Switch - 18.8m, XBO - 4.8m        2020: Switch - 22m (Peak Year)