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Barkley said:
Digital Software, 53%. It's eclipsed physical.

16m adjusted down to 15m. 16m was always going to be a tough ask with the lineup. No God of War, No Monster Hunter, No Spiderman.

Still the forecast is 111.8m shipped by April 2020. So it's on track for 125-135m.

As we both predicted. Good job! :P



                                                                                                                                            

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JRPGfan said:
LordLichtenstein said:

130M seems very irrational to me. By November 2020, when PS5 launches, PS4's LTD should be around 116-118M. Are you seriously suggesting that PS4 will only sell 12-14M after PS5 launches? 

Honestly if they stick with 299$ forever.... something like that could happend.
I just think most of us expect them to do a price cut at some point, to push sales for the last bit of the gen and after.

I wouldnt be surprised, if after the PS5 launches, the PS4 still manages to overall do another 20m or so total.

That would be around double what the PS3 sold post PS4 launch, plus the PS5's ability to play the PS4's library means you now have the option of gaining access to both libraries for whatever the difference in price between them happens to be and that surely has to take away sales. Anyway my theory is there will a cheap PS4 but it will be rebranded the PS3 pro so Sony can say they that all their home consoles reached 100M.



As the OP is pretty bare, more details that haven't been mentioned:

Games and Network Services, Operating Profit of $680 Million, down from $769 Million last year.

Operating Profit forecast for full FY remains unchanged, $2.58 Billion compared to $2.86 Billion last year.

- Decrease in first party software sales compared to quarter last year (no god of war lol)
- Lower than expected third party software sales
- Negative impact of exchange rates
- Increase in PS4 Hardware sales and profit margin
- Increase in network services sales (PS+, etc)
- Lower than expected PS4 Hardware Sales

The reason they give for the Operating Profit forecast not being reduced despite lower than expected third party software and ps4 hardware sales is that cost reductions (presumably for PS4 hardware) are better than expected and the sales of PS+ and other network services are higher than expected.

PlayStation is still rolling in the cash despite development of the PS5 and lack of major blockbusters this year lowering the profits.



Predictions (Made July 2019)

LTD: PS4 - 130m, Switch - 110m, XBO - 52m       2019 : PS4 - 15m, Switch - 18.8m, XBO - 4.8m        2020: Switch - 22m (Peak Year)


LordLichtenstein said:

I .. actually .. believe .. PS4 has a chance of reaching PS2. If Sony's estimates hold up, PS4 will have shipped 112M LTD by March 2020, leaving it only 43M short of the PS2.

Sony has yet to lower the price of the PS4 to $199, and exclusive games such as Death Stranding, The Last of Us - Part II, Ghost of Tsushima, Dreams and Final Fantasy VII Remake has yet to release - and let us not forget CD Project Red's juggernaut, Cyberpunk 2077, is releasing next year as well. Exciting times ahead.

My prediction from 2016 has PS4 lifetime at 120. It may end up surpass that but it'll definitely not reach PS2's 155 million as the $99 PS2 ($130 with inflation) sold like hotcakes next to the $599 PS3.

I can't see PS4's price coming down to $130 and I can't see PS5 going for more than $499.



Barkley said:
JRPGfan said:

Sony can sell the current PS4 slim at 199$ without loss imo, and probably tiny bit of profit.
If they actually do a super slim (7nm shrink), they *might* be able to sell at 149$ without a loss.

The possibility of a super slim (with a good price) would def. help, it increase those legs after the PS5.
Not quite as cheap as the PS2 was (after inflation) but not that far from it (118$ vs 149$).

Plus with this many units sold,.... does anyone expect 3rd party to just abandon it, the day PS5 launches?
There will be multiplats, that have both PS4 + PS5 versions at launch, for years to come, due to how popular the PS4 is.

3rd parties didn't really abandon the PS3 either. Destiny, Watch Dogs, Shadow of Mordor, AC Rogue, FF XIII Lightning Returns, South Park Stick of Truth, Dark Souls 2, Metal Gear Solid 5, Alien Isolation, Borderlands Presequel, CoD Advanced Warfare/Blackops 3, Far Cry 4, Resident Evil Revelations 2. Though you're right that PS4 support should be better.

$149 might be possible, though I don't expect we'll see it happen. If it did drop to $149 though I could see it actually beating the PS2. We're not even down to $249 yet though.

There is a vast differnce now though.

Both PS4 + PS5, will be x86 (cpu) and same gpu vender.... makeing porting + dual releaseing for two systems MUCH easier than PS3 to PS4.

And due to PS4 being more popular, along with deminishing returns on hardware performance.....
I think support for the PS4, into the PS5 gen, will be vastly better, than what the PS3 got from 3rd party ect.

Yeah I dont "really" believe in 149$ either, the only way that happends is if they do a die shrink to 7nm.
Without another shrink, I dont think it happends, and Sony might not see the value in spending money to shrink it again.

mjk45 said:
JRPGfan said:

Honestly if they stick with 299$ forever.... something like that could happend.
I just think most of us expect them to do a price cut at some point, to push sales for the last bit of the gen and after.

I wouldnt be surprised, if after the PS5 launches, the PS4 still manages to overall do another 20m or so total.

That would be around double what the PS3 sold post PS4 launch, plus the PS5's ability to play the PS4's library means you now have the option of gaining access to both libraries for whatever the difference in price between them happens to be and that surely has to take away sales. Anyway my theory is there will a cheap PS4 but it will be rebranded the PS3 pro so Sony can say they that all their home consoles reached 100M.

People arnt tired of their PS4s yet.... Plus I suspect the PS4 will have better legs (into PS5 gen) than the PS3 did (into the PS4 one).
Mainly due to support from multiplats.

If costs of doing so arnt so high, and theres still a large enough player base there (120-130m+).

Will it's legs be as long as the PS2's was? Probably not.
However I suspect it ll pull off a better showing than the PS3 did.

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Really great sales, only the 6th console ever to reach 100 million.



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WiiU: 102.85 million games / 13.56 million consoles = 7.6

XBX: 165 million games / 24 million consoles = 10.5

NGC: 208.57 million games / 21.74 million consoles = 9.6

NSW: 210.13 million games / 36.87 million consoles = 5.7

N64: 224.97 million games / 32.93 million consoles = 6.8

PSP: 331 million games / 76.4 million consoles = 3.8

GBA: 377.42 million games / 81.51 million consoles = 4.6

SNES: 379.06 million games / 49.10 million consoles = 7.7

DS: 379.6 million games / 75.28 million consoles = 5

NES: 500.01 million games / 61.91 million consoles = 8

GB+Color: 501.11 million games / 118.69 million consoles = 4.2

Wii: 920.81 million games / 101.63 million consoles = 9

360: 937 million games / 84 million consoles = 11

NDS: 948.64 million games / 154.02 million consoles = 6.1

PS1: 962 million games / 102.49 million consoles = 9.2

PS3: 999.4 million games / 87.4 million consoles = 11

PS4: 1 billion games / 100 million consoles = 10

PS2: 1.537 billion games / 155.1 million consoles = 10



*PS vita and Xbox One games/consoles sales have not been included.
Last edited by Evilms - on 30 July 2019

zorg1000 said:
Really great sales, only the 6th console ever to reach 100 million.

Homeconsoles, only 4 have ever gone over 100m.

1 PS2
2 PS1
3 Wii
4 PS4

Soon the top3 best selling consoles, will all be Playstation.
PS4 is bound to take #2 spot in that list.



Now, of the 5 best selling home consoles of all time, 4 are Playstation systems.Talk about consistency.



Evilms said:

WiiU: 102.85 million games / 13.56 million consoles = 7.6
XBX: 165 million games / 24 million consoles = 10.5
NGC: 208.57 million games / 21.74 million consoles = 9.6
NSW: 210.13 million games / 36.87 million consoles = 5.7
N64: 224.97 million games / 32.93 million consoles = 6.8
PSP: 331 million games / 76.4 million consoles = 3.8
GBA: 377.42 million games / 81.51 million consoles = 4.6
SNES: 379.06 million games / 49.10 million consoles = 7.7
3DS: 379.6 million games / 75.28 million consoles = 5
NES: 500.01 million games / 61.91 million consoles = 8
GB+Color: 501.11 million games / 118.69 million consoles = 4.2
Wii: 920.81 million games / 101.63 million consoles = 9
PS4: 924 million games / 100 million consoles = 9.2
360: 937 million games / 84 million consoles = 11
NDS: 948.64 million games / 154.02 million consoles = 6.1
PS1: 962 million games / 102.49 million consoles = 9.2
PS3: 999.4 million games / 87.4 million consoles = 11
PS2: 1.537 billion games / 155.1 million consoles = 10



*PS vita and Xbox One games/consoles sales have not been included.

Actually PS4 software sales are abit over 1bn total (currently), according to ZhugeEX (and others on resetera).

PS4 currently has a attachrate of over 10.

Once gen is over, I wouldnt be surprised if it ends up 14+
Its gonna end up as the most games sold ever, on a console, by the end of it (imo).