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zorg1000 on 01 August 2019
Intrinsic said:
chakkra said:

Ehhh... I hate to be that guy but things are not actually quite the same..

7th GEN
Wii=101.6
PS3=87.4
360=85.8
DS=154.0
PSP=80.8
Total 590.6

8th GEN
PS4=130
X1 = 55
NS = 100
3DS = 78
Vita=16.5
WiiU=13.6
Total 393.6

I mean, it is easy to get caught up on PS4 and Switch's apparent success, but people tend to forget that the handheld segment from Sony dissapeared, while Nintendo had to merge its two segments into one, and yet, even counting NS, 3DS and Wii U as part of the same generation, the numbers don't come even close.

And I´m not saying this shrinkage will continue as we don´t really know. But the shrinkage happened. There is no way around it.

All that really shows i as you mention, the handheld market died off. 7th gen had 230M sales for handhelds alone for crying out loud. But what's funny is that that market actually expanded, it just expanded into an area we don't track... smart devices phones and tablets. Like which kid doesn't have a $50 amazon tablet these days that does way more for them than a handheld device ever could.

If you look at the home console in the 8th gen, however, you will notice that the home console market has actually grown from the 7th gen to the 8th gen, 276M to 298M,  and that growth is likely to happen in a shorter period of time too.

It gets a little tricky comparing 7th to 8th gen home consoles.

PS3+360+Wii=~275m

PS4+XBO+Wii U=~200m

Do we include Switch with 8th gen or will it be 9th gen? Also how do we classify it as solely a home console when its handheld aspect is a huge selling point and has a portable only sku on the horizon?



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DonFerrari on 01 August 2019
chakkra said:
JRPGfan said:

and then....  lifetime sales probably play out like:

PS4 ~130m+
XB1 ~50m+
NSW ~90m+

Compaired to last gen, things are much the same, right?
Not sure why every console gen has to be pronounced as the last one.

This is the one that bugs me the most tbh.

Ehhh... I hate to be that guy but things are not actually quite the same..

7th GEN
Wii=101.6
PS3=87.4
360=85.8
DS=154.0
PSP=80.8
Total 590.6

8th GEN
PS4=130
X1 = 55
NS = 100
3DS = 78
Vita=16.5
WiiU=13.6
Total 393.6

I mean, it is easy to get caught up on PS4 and Switch's apparent success, but people tend to forget that the handheld segment from Sony dissapeared, while Nintendo had to merge its two segments into one, and yet, even counting NS, 3DS and Wii U as part of the same generation, the numbers don't come even close.

And I´m not saying this shrinkage will continue as we don´t really know. But the shrinkage happened. There is no way around it.

Or you could pick also gen 5 and 6, compare the last 4 gen... see that gen 7 was the anomaly and a lot of casual buyers that weren't market before or after that gen inflated the number.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Intrinsic on 01 August 2019
zorg1000 said:
Intrinsic said:

All that really shows i as you mention, the handheld market died off. 7th gen had 230M sales for handhelds alone for crying out loud. But what's funny is that that market actually expanded, it just expanded into an area we don't track... smart devices phones and tablets. Like which kid doesn't have a $50 amazon tablet these days that does way more for them than a handheld device ever could.

If you look at the home console in the 8th gen, however, you will notice that the home console market has actually grown from the 7th gen to the 8th gen, 276M to 298M,  and that growth is likely to happen in a shorter period of time too.

It gets a little tricky comparing 7th to 8th gen home consoles.

PS3+360+Wii=~275m

PS4+XBO+Wii U=~200m

Do we include Switch with 8th gen or will it be 9th gen? Also how do we classify it as solely a home console when its handheld aspect is a huge selling point and has a portable only sku on the horizon?

With regards to switch?

  1. It's an 8th gen console. Primarily because it shares its library with other 8th gen consoles. And this will be more evident when the 9th gen comes along and people see that when the PS4/XB1 stop getting 9th gen ports/cross-gen games, so will the Switch. Why compare it to 9th gen consoles if the majority of its multiplat titles are from the 8th gen. 

    I am willing to be pleasantly surprised though and my theory proved wrong if 2+ years into the 9th gen the Switch still gets 9th gen games while the PS4/XB1 stop getting them.

  2. As it has been drummed into our collective skulls, the Switch isn't a home console or a handheld... its both. So we have to count it as both. We either just group it with home consoles, or with handhelds or count it twice for each category. Now personally I always felt it was just a handheld that could be plugged into a TV (and had my head chewed off for suggesting so) and one could argue that Nintendo has kinda confirmed as much with the new dockless SKU being released soon. But I am willing to bet that shortly after that SKU is released Nintendo will make a $60 USB C to HDMI cable available to plug that handheld into a TV too.


PortisheadBiscuit on 01 August 2019
Azuren said:
So when are we going to start preparing the Crow Dinners for everyone who said PS4 wouldn't pass Wii?



DonFerrari on 01 August 2019
PortisheadBiscuit said:
Azuren said:
So when are we going to start preparing the Crow Dinners for everyone who said PS4 wouldn't pass Wii?

We had a couple of crazies that said PS4 wouldn't cross 100M when it was between 90-95M.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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estebxx on 01 August 2019
thismeintiel said:

XBOX

ALL CONSOLES - 154.52M across 3 consoles = 51.51M average

So the PS2 sold more than all the Xbox consoles combined so far?... Damn...



thismeintiel on 02 August 2019
estebxx said:
thismeintiel said:

XBOX

ALL CONSOLES - 154.52M across 3 consoles = 51.51M average

So the PS2 sold more than all the Xbox consoles combined so far?... Damn...

Yep. And it might take the release of a 4th console to actually pass it, depending on how much XBO drops next year.



 

Barkley on 02 August 2019
thismeintiel said:
estebxx said:

So the PS2 sold more than all the Xbox consoles combined so far?... Damn...

Yep. And it might take the release of a 4th console to actually pass it, depending on how much XBO drops next year.

Uh... XBO needs to sell just 3.15m more... so no. 



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DonFerrari on 02 August 2019
Barkley said:
thismeintiel said:

Yep. And it might take the release of a 4th console to actually pass it, depending on how much XBO drops next year.

Uh... XBO needs to sell just 3.15m more... so no. 

Well Wii just needed about this much to pass PS1, but didn't have wind on it after crossing 100M =p

But yes I think XB1 will sell more than 3.15M before discontinuing. But without MS giving numbers after that almost 10M shipped we can't be sure. Will they give a statement saying "we are proud to inform that the Xbox family is the best selling console ever released" (because since X1 have BC they can consider the HW sales of the other 2 gen as if from X1/jk).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."