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Majority of people who play Gears of War, Halo, Forza Motorsport etc play single player campaigns. You only need to check achievement percentages to know this. That's why these games have huge SP focus. And there's a dedicated MP crowd too.

There's room & demand for both SP & MP games and nothing suggest Microsoft would focus on only one of them.



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The market seems to be changing towards a more mobile-oriented, pick-up-and-play approach. The way things are going, the next Xbox could be their last, or at the very least, the last home console from Microsoft as we know it. (By that I mean that my prediction would be that if the next home console from Microsoft doesn't result in MS dropping out of the console manufacturing business, then the only way I imagine them staying in would be because of some very large, impactful changes to the experience.) I suppose the same could be said for Sony as well, but I think that if Xbox folded their hand, and allowed Sony to absorb most of their players, it would allow Sony to thrive in the smaller, home console market.

I'm hesitant to submit this because I mean no ill will. Let me make this part clear: I don't desire to see Microsoft drop out of the home console market. Rather, if I had to predict what's going to happen, with my limited knowledge, and garbage track record, this was my prediction.

Also, Microsoft has deep pockets, and I don't see them disappearing entirely, but I can see them switching exclusively to a games as a service model and dropping the hardware that comes along with it in lieu of something like Stadia. I can see Sony doing the same, and not due to suffering sales, but rather just because that's the direction the market is headed.



KiigelHeart said:
Majority of people who play Gears of War, Halo, Forza Motorsport etc play single player campaigns. You only need to check achievement percentages to know this. That's why these games have huge SP focus. And there's a dedicated MP crowd too.

There's room & demand for both SP & MP games and nothing suggest Microsoft would focus on only one of them.

is that still true today?

arnt Halo 4, halo 5, and Gears 4, like under 8hours to beat with avg gameplay?

Thats on the short side, I'd say both Halo & Gears, are heavily Multiplayer focused games (at the cost of single player).

Okay I went and checked (howlongtobeat), and Gears 1,2,3... where around the 9-10 hour mark.

So them dropping down to ~8hours of gameplay for single player isnt a "huge" loss.
Maybe its just me, my perception was the multiplayer has gotten bigger and bigger focus.



KiigelHeart said:
Majority of people who play Gears of War, Halo, Forza Motorsport etc play single player campaigns. You only need to check achievement percentages to know this. That's why these games have huge SP focus. And there's a dedicated MP crowd too.

There's room & demand for both SP & MP games and nothing suggest Microsoft would focus on only one of them.

Thouse are games that people beat the campaing once in like 8 hours them play 100+hours of multyplayer, at least halo and gears. just llike call of duty. That does not sound like a SP focused game.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
All I can say to that is that you’re allowed to be wrong.

Just look at your CoD posts. Game sells tens of millions every year yet the online player count is never that high. Whether you want to admit it or not, tons of people buy CoD for the campaign. At least, the ones that have a campaign.

If you’re trying to tell me most people who bought Crackdown or Forza or State of Decay 2 did so for online play.... lol. The only person actually inflating lists here is you. By the way, Gears and Halo are the same. Huge emphasis on MP, but huge emphasis on SP as well. Plenty buy both of those games and never play much MP.

Your argument literally is “SP is dead to MS. Yeah, you play all of their games SP but others don’t”. If I can play all these games perfectly fine in SP, then SP is clearly not dead lol.

Keep reaching though, friend. Still waiting on some actual depth and logic in reply to my list.

You definetly inflated the list. My original response was that a game that has SP could still be MP focused. You mentioned a couple of games that are SP focused then added a bunch of games that are clearly MP focused. Games that people play the campaign in like 5-10 hours then go to play over 100+ hours of the MP.

The other thing is that while you can perform all the mental gymnastics to convince yourself of that, the rest of the player base wont. gamers dont go to xbox for SP. So we go with what the majority has to say. wich you are not part off. By the way, dont MS publish statistics all the time? Cant we find out the total amoumt of time gamers spend on the SP and MP parts of the games you keep propping up?



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eva01beserk said:
KiigelHeart said:
Majority of people who play Gears of War, Halo, Forza Motorsport etc play single player campaigns. You only need to check achievement percentages to know this. That's why these games have huge SP focus. And there's a dedicated MP crowd too.

There's room & demand for both SP & MP games and nothing suggest Microsoft would focus on only one of them.

Thouse are games that people beat the campaing once in like 8 hours them play 100+hours of multyplayer, at least halo and gears. just llike call of duty. That does not sound like a SP focused game.

Yes there are people who play 8 hours of campaign and 100+ hours of multiplayer. And people who play 100+ hours of multiplayer without touching the campaign.

What I was saying though, majority of people play the campaign and don't play MP much at all. 

Both Gears & Halo expand their unviverse and lore to books and comics and stuff. They became popular because of their story and characters. Fans are passionate about this stuff. 

Just because there's a popular MP on top of a quality campaign doesn't mean it's more  focused on MP. Pretty nice to have both, eh? 

Hell, I've played Gears4 campaign twice and put 400+ hours on MP stuff. Still I'm always looking forward to next campaign first and foremost. Like majority do. You just tend to play MP more, who the fuck would play campaign over and over for 100+ hours? 



eva01beserk said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
All I can say to that is that you’re allowed to be wrong.

Just look at your CoD posts. Game sells tens of millions every year yet the online player count is never that high. Whether you want to admit it or not, tons of people buy CoD for the campaign. At least, the ones that have a campaign.

If you’re trying to tell me most people who bought Crackdown or Forza or State of Decay 2 did so for online play.... lol. The only person actually inflating lists here is you. By the way, Gears and Halo are the same. Huge emphasis on MP, but huge emphasis on SP as well. Plenty buy both of those games and never play much MP.

Your argument literally is “SP is dead to MS. Yeah, you play all of their games SP but others don’t”. If I can play all these games perfectly fine in SP, then SP is clearly not dead lol.

Keep reaching though, friend. Still waiting on some actual depth and logic in reply to my list.

You definetly inflated the list. My original response was that a game that has SP could still be MP focused. You mentioned a couple of games that are SP focused then added a bunch of games that are clearly MP focused. Games that people play the campaign in like 5-10 hours then go to play over 100+ hours of the MP.

The other thing is that while you can perform all the mental gymnastics to convince yourself of that, the rest of the player base wont. gamers dont go to xbox for SP. So we go with what the majority has to say. wich you are not part off. By the way, dont MS publish statistics all the time? Cant we find out the total amoumt of time gamers spend on the SP and MP parts of the games you keep propping up?

Not everyone goes and plays the MP though. There’s nothing inflated about the list. 

I think this is hilarious. The narrative is MS thinks single player is dead, I make a list of games with full SP offerings and the games... don’t count because some people play MP too LOL. 

just like I told the other guy desperately grasping at straws, the fact that I can experience a full SP offering in all of these games proves SP isn’t dead to Microsoft. Hope that helps. 



LudicrousSpeed said:
eva01beserk said:

You definetly inflated the list. My original response was that a game that has SP could still be MP focused. You mentioned a couple of games that are SP focused then added a bunch of games that are clearly MP focused. Games that people play the campaign in like 5-10 hours then go to play over 100+ hours of the MP.

The other thing is that while you can perform all the mental gymnastics to convince yourself of that, the rest of the player base wont. gamers dont go to xbox for SP. So we go with what the majority has to say. wich you are not part off. By the way, dont MS publish statistics all the time? Cant we find out the total amoumt of time gamers spend on the SP and MP parts of the games you keep propping up?

Not everyone goes and plays the MP though. There’s nothing inflated about the list. 

I think this is hilarious. The narrative is MS thinks single player is dead, I make a list of games with full SP offerings and the games... don’t count because some people play MP too LOL. 

just like I told the other guy desperately grasping at straws, the fact that I can experience a full SP offering in all of these games proves SP isn’t dead to Microsoft. Hope that helps. 

You can laugh all you want and claim that its the others who have conspiracies. But understand that almost every headline about MS is how they are falling behind and are lacking. Sales have plummet early. Aside from ori and cuphead, there has been no game that have boost confidence in the xbox brand, and those to games a very small and dont attract many consumers. There has really not been any recent big games on xbox that people are going crazzy for wiile the competition gets like 2 a year minimun. (please dont bring up forza, nobody cares about yearly releases)So like 90% of any news is negative towards xbox saying the same thing and just a couple of defenders like you laughing alone in the corner calling the 90% cazzy. You cant be so blind to realize in what situation xbox is. Even if you keep pushing straws to make your point, can you really deny that the majority does not see the world the way you do? And I mean a vast majority. 



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KiigelHeart said:
eva01beserk said:

Thouse are games that people beat the campaing once in like 8 hours them play 100+hours of multyplayer, at least halo and gears. just llike call of duty. That does not sound like a SP focused game.

Yes there are people who play 8 hours of campaign and 100+ hours of multiplayer. And people who play 100+ hours of multiplayer without touching the campaign.

What I was saying though, majority of people play the campaign and don't play MP much at all. 

Both Gears & Halo expand their unviverse and lore to books and comics and stuff. They became popular because of their story and characters. Fans are passionate about this stuff. 

Just because there's a popular MP on top of a quality campaign doesn't mean it's more  focused on MP. Pretty nice to have both, eh? 

Hell, I've played Gears4 campaign twice and put 400+ hours on MP stuff. Still I'm always looking forward to next campaign first and foremost. Like majority do. You just tend to play MP more, who the fuck would play campaign over and over for 100+ hours? 

Ok buddy. MP focused games people mainly get for the single player. Lets talk again when you want to get serious. 



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I am super excited for scarlets release. This feels like the xbox 360, with them coming out swinging, and going all in. They didnt buy developers just to make cheap games, or to wait on them until 2023 or 2024. That's ridiculous.

I'm as excited for scarlet as I was for the 360, and that was my favorite console of all time, I still have it hooked up and play it, and my kids do too.

Microsoft learned a huge lesson this gen. They are doing everything they can to make it right this go around. And yes, they have my trust because I e always enjoyed each of their consoles. I cant wait.