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eva01beserk said:
KiigelHeart said:

Yes there are people who play 8 hours of campaign and 100+ hours of multiplayer. And people who play 100+ hours of multiplayer without touching the campaign.

What I was saying though, majority of people play the campaign and don't play MP much at all. 

Both Gears & Halo expand their unviverse and lore to books and comics and stuff. They became popular because of their story and characters. Fans are passionate about this stuff. 

Just because there's a popular MP on top of a quality campaign doesn't mean it's more  focused on MP. Pretty nice to have both, eh? 

Hell, I've played Gears4 campaign twice and put 400+ hours on MP stuff. Still I'm always looking forward to next campaign first and foremost. Like majority do. You just tend to play MP more, who the fuck would play campaign over and over for 100+ hours? 

Ok buddy. MP focused games people mainly get for the single player. Lets talk again when you want to get serious. 

Yes as I already pointed out, you can check achievement unlock percentages if  you need proof for something obvious. Gears ain't MP focused. You even  replied my  post where  I said this already :D

Bravo! 



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eva01beserk said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Not everyone goes and plays the MP though. There’s nothing inflated about the list. 

I think this is hilarious. The narrative is MS thinks single player is dead, I make a list of games with full SP offerings and the games... don’t count because some people play MP too LOL. 

just like I told the other guy desperately grasping at straws, the fact that I can experience a full SP offering in all of these games proves SP isn’t dead to Microsoft. Hope that helps. 

You can laugh all you want and claim that its the others who have conspiracies. But understand that almost every headline about MS is how they are falling behind and are lacking. Sales have plummet early. Aside from ori and cuphead, there has been no game that have boost confidence in the xbox brand, and those to games a very small and dont attract many consumers. There has really not been any recent big games on xbox that people are going crazzy for wiile the competition gets like 2 a year minimun. (please dont bring up forza, nobody cares about yearly releases)So like 90% of any news is negative towards xbox saying the same thing and just a couple of defenders like you laughing alone in the corner calling the 90% cazzy. You cant be so blind to realize in what situation xbox is. Even if you keep pushing straws to make your point, can you really deny that the majority does not see the world the way you do? And I mean a vast majority. 

I don't know if I said conspiracy, I just think your opinions are laughably incorrect and proved so with the list of games I've played :)

The rest of that reply is a completely irrelevant give up tangent. Yeah, we all know MS fucked up this gen and Sony/Nintendo nailed it out of the park. We all know Xbone has lower sales and they've slowed down on games. What does this have to do with whether or not MS thinks single player gaming is dead though? How do sales charts  or news cycles change whether or not a game has a fully fledged SP offering? If you don't have any substance to your opinion and have to rely on something like this, maybe don't make the point? It's adorable to read, but it doesn't hold any real weight. I'd no different than the other guy just dismissing a list of games he's never played as "inflating" lol.

I can play full SP offerings in all those games I listed minus the obvious MP game SoT. I don't care if 99% of people never touch that SP content, just the fact that it's there, proves the theory wrong. You're actually making my argument stronger with these weak excuses about how barely anyone plays the SP (which by the way, you're pulling out of your ass, you don't know how many people play SP). If supposedly barely anyone plays the SP and yet MS keeps giving us these games with full SP content, then they must really want to make sure those "minority" SP gamers are happy, because according to your logic they could save a lot of time and money by just making the games MP only and catering to the "majority". Turns out you're just wrong.



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eva01beserk said:

Hold on there buddy. I will say that they are heading in the right direction. But it took a while and have yet to provide anything with the acquisitions. I think we are still in the waiting stage so we still cant say anything definitive. 

I find it funny that you tell me what to think. You've been putting alot of effort into downplaying Microsoft in this thread. Give it a rest already.

You should probably read more crefully then. I said to pump the brakes and why I think so. Maybe stop feeling attacked.



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smroadkill15 said:
eva01beserk said:

You can laugh all you want and claim that its the others who have conspiracies. But understand that almost every headline about MS is how they are falling behind and are lacking. Sales have plummet early. Aside from ori and cuphead, there has been no game that have boost confidence in the xbox brand, and those to games a very small and dont attract many consumers. There has really not been any recent big games on xbox that people are going crazzy for wiile the competition gets like 2 a year minimun. (please dont bring up forza, nobody cares about yearly releases)So like 90% of any news is negative towards xbox saying the same thing and just a couple of defenders like you laughing alone in the corner calling the 90% cazzy. You cant be so blind to realize in what situation xbox is. Even if you keep pushing straws to make your point, can you really deny that the majority does not see the world the way you do? And I mean a vast majority. 

Speaking of straw man, you can't say there have been no games that attract costumers and then completely dismiss Forza Horizon 4 because it's Forza, which is a terrible excuse to begin with. FH4 has sold extremely well and is constantly one of the top played games on Xbox. Above all other 1st party titles to be exact. Btw, no Forza this year. So much for yearly releases huh? Even though Horizon and Motorsport are completely different games, but whatever fits the narrative I guess. 
I'll be playing Gears 5 in less than a month, or does that not count because it's "another Gears?" 

I'm more than aware of Xbox's short comings this generation, but if you haven't been paying attention at all for the last 2 years, you can't say Xbox is in a bad situation as a whole. Not even close. 

I said not to mention forza because is the only game that scores really high, but even so its a yearly release wich is a slight update from the previous release so it dosent really woao anybody. Im talking more about hype. Yearly releases aside from COD, dont tend to have much hype. Also aside from the first it dosent tend to pull new people and its the one that sells the most per gen. 

Nope, it dosent apply to gears. Its not an anual series, there is hype for it. It might end up good. It could also pull a lot of people in depending of how good it is. But many games have hype prelease, releases, people dont like it, then they tarnish the brand. This is not a MS only thing, but they have had more bombs than the rest. 

In the last 2 years? Again, as I said before. They have adquired a few small studios, have any of them showed anything? Just ninja theory and people did not like what was shown. So there is nothing that says they are in any better spot with the exclusive content. While more games is always good, more low quality games dont pull a lot off people or build up hype.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
eva01beserk said:

You can laugh all you want and claim that its the others who have conspiracies. But understand that almost every headline about MS is how they are falling behind and are lacking. Sales have plummet early. Aside from ori and cuphead, there has been no game that have boost confidence in the xbox brand, and those to games a very small and dont attract many consumers. There has really not been any recent big games on xbox that people are going crazzy for wiile the competition gets like 2 a year minimun. (please dont bring up forza, nobody cares about yearly releases)So like 90% of any news is negative towards xbox saying the same thing and just a couple of defenders like you laughing alone in the corner calling the 90% cazzy. You cant be so blind to realize in what situation xbox is. Even if you keep pushing straws to make your point, can you really deny that the majority does not see the world the way you do? And I mean a vast majority. 

I don't know if I said conspiracy, I just think your opinions are laughably incorrect and proved so with the list of games I've played :)

The rest of that reply is a completely irrelevant give up tangent. Yeah, we all know MS fucked up this gen and Sony/Nintendo nailed it out of the park. We all know Xbone has lower sales and they've slowed down on games. What does this have to do with whether or not MS thinks single player gaming is dead though? How do sales charts  or news cycles change whether or not a game has a fully fledged SP offering? If you don't have any substance to your opinion and have to rely on something like this, maybe don't make the point? It's adorable to read, but it doesn't hold any real weight. I'd no different than the other guy just dismissing a list of games he's never played as "inflating" lol.

I can play full SP offerings in all those games I listed minus the obvious MP game SoT. I don't care if 99% of people never touch that SP content, just the fact that it's there, proves the theory wrong. You're actually making my argument stronger with these weak excuses about how barely anyone plays the SP (which by the way, you're pulling out of your ass, you don't know how many people play SP). If supposedly barely anyone plays the SP and yet MS keeps giving us these games with full SP content, then they must really want to make sure those "minority" SP gamers are happy, because according to your logic they could save a lot of time and money by just making the games MP only and catering to the "majority". Turns out you're just wrong.

You should really stop. you are the only one saying that we think MS has no SP games or that they think its dead. Thats an obvious straw man. We keep telling you, a game can have SP, but the focus of it is the MP. Most games have both, that was also said to you. Everyone knows you can play all the games you listed in SP. The argument is still the focus of the game, and as much as you dont want to admit it, the majority of MS games are MP focused, players want that wich is why they play that part of the game most and MS listens and builds upon it.



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KiigelHeart said:
eva01beserk said:

Ok buddy. MP focused games people mainly get for the single player. Lets talk again when you want to get serious. 

Yes as I already pointed out, you can check achievement unlock percentages if  you need proof for something obvious. Gears ain't MP focused. You even  replied my  post where  I said this already :D

Bravo! 

My reply was all about the bold. I know gears is not MP focused. Did I say otherwise? I even wrote why I laughed at the bottom. I really want to know now where you got Gears is MP from what I said?



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eva01beserk said:
KiigelHeart said:

Yes as I already pointed out, you can check achievement unlock percentages if  you need proof for something obvious. Gears ain't MP focused. You even  replied my  post where  I said this already :D

Bravo! 

My reply was all about the bold. I know gears is not MP focused. Did I say otherwise? I even wrote why I laughed at the bottom. I really want to know now where you got Gears is MP from what I said?

The bolded part you replied to was me still talking about Gears. You really seem confused. Start from the beginning, I wrote about majority of people playing Gears, Halo & Forza campaign and you replied to me comparing these games to CoD. And so on.

I don't even know why you mention CoD. Gears & Halo aren't even similar to CoD model. And now you say Gears isn't MP focused.. What are you even arguing about anymore? 

Maybe you can list those "MP first, SP second" games from Microsoft so we can see if their focus really is MP. Sea of Thieves.. what else?



KiigelHeart said:
eva01beserk said:

My reply was all about the bold. I know gears is not MP focused. Did I say otherwise? I even wrote why I laughed at the bottom. I really want to know now where you got Gears is MP from what I said?

The bolded part you replied to was me still talking about Gears. You really seem confused. Start from the beginning, I wrote about majority of people playing Gears, Halo & Forza campaign and you replied to me comparing these games to CoD. And so on.

I don't even know why you mention CoD. Gears & Halo aren't even similar to CoD model. And now you say Gears isn't MP focused.. What are you even arguing about anymore? 

Maybe you can list those "MP first, SP second" games from Microsoft so we can see if their focus really is MP. Sea of Thieves.. what else?

As much as you fight it, halo and forza are focused on MP. So gears is the only game you listed that is first a SP then a MP game. That could have changed, I havent played gears since 2.

I brought up COD cuz just like halo, it also tends to bring a SP campaign, But people are buying it for the SP. Just put it this way. The last COD scraped the campaign and it still sold pretty well. I will bet you that halo does the same and it will still sell the same. Maybe a bit less, but still insignificant. Now drop the MP for either game and they would bomb harder that you could even imagine. 



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eva01beserk said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

I don't know if I said conspiracy, I just think your opinions are laughably incorrect and proved so with the list of games I've played :)

The rest of that reply is a completely irrelevant give up tangent. Yeah, we all know MS fucked up this gen and Sony/Nintendo nailed it out of the park. We all know Xbone has lower sales and they've slowed down on games. What does this have to do with whether or not MS thinks single player gaming is dead though? How do sales charts  or news cycles change whether or not a game has a fully fledged SP offering? If you don't have any substance to your opinion and have to rely on something like this, maybe don't make the point? It's adorable to read, but it doesn't hold any real weight. I'd no different than the other guy just dismissing a list of games he's never played as "inflating" lol.

I can play full SP offerings in all those games I listed minus the obvious MP game SoT. I don't care if 99% of people never touch that SP content, just the fact that it's there, proves the theory wrong. You're actually making my argument stronger with these weak excuses about how barely anyone plays the SP (which by the way, you're pulling out of your ass, you don't know how many people play SP). If supposedly barely anyone plays the SP and yet MS keeps giving us these games with full SP content, then they must really want to make sure those "minority" SP gamers are happy, because according to your logic they could save a lot of time and money by just making the games MP only and catering to the "majority". Turns out you're just wrong.

You should really stop. you are the only one saying that we think MS has no SP games or that they think its dead. Thats an obvious straw man. We keep telling you, a game can have SP, but the focus of it is the MP. Most games have both, that was also said to you. Everyone knows you can play all the games you listed in SP. The argument is still the focus of the game, and as much as you dont want to admit it, the majority of MS games are MP focused, players want that wich is why they play that part of the game most and MS listens and builds upon it.

lol, sweetie, you jumped into a conversation I was having with someone else, and they very much were claiming that Microsoft thinks SP gaming is dead. Said it multiple times, even tried to link to interviews where they thought Microsoft was saying SP is dead. If you’re going to insert yourself into a “debate” if you will, try to follow along.

So removing that nonsense, what we are left with is the same crap the other guy was trying to cling to, something subjective like the “focus” of a game. Something impossible to quantify. I’ve already debunked this argument when the other guy tried it, again, try to keep up. Basically on one side you have a gamer who has experienced all of these games almost entirely in single player, and on the other side you have people claiming the games are all MP focused.

Try maybe playing these games? You act as if they have bare bones SP designed to get you into MP or something. And please find another thing to cling to besides time spent on the game. MP will almost always be played more than SP, it doesn’t make the SP any less important. Even Uncharted and Last of Us, MP users will play the game way way way more than SP users. I guess Uncharted and LoU are MP focused? Wow, didn’t know that. 

You’re trying to say Forza is a yearly release that barely updates, you do realize there are essentially two radically different racing franchises, Motorsports and Horizon, that share the Forza name? You’re only revealing how ignorant you are with these comments. Horizon is not MP focused. If anything it’s social focused. Think Driveclub but way better implementation of social aspects. The idea is to race and share and compete together and you can do all without ever playing a second of actual online MP. I should know, I’ve actually done it. But I know, I know, you have some preconceived notions, fake numbers, and game ignorance that trumps reality lol.



LudicrousSpeed said:
eva01beserk said:

You should really stop. you are the only one saying that we think MS has no SP games or that they think its dead. Thats an obvious straw man. We keep telling you, a game can have SP, but the focus of it is the MP. Most games have both, that was also said to you. Everyone knows you can play all the games you listed in SP. The argument is still the focus of the game, and as much as you dont want to admit it, the majority of MS games are MP focused, players want that wich is why they play that part of the game most and MS listens and builds upon it.

lol, sweetie, you jumped into a conversation I was having with someone else, and they very much were claiming that Microsoft thinks SP gaming is dead. Said it multiple times, even tried to link to interviews where they thought Microsoft was saying SP is dead. If you’re going to insert yourself into a “debate” if you will, try to follow along.

So removing that nonsense, what we are left with is the same crap the other guy was trying to cling to, something subjective like the “focus” of a game. Something impossible to quantify. I’ve already debunked this argument when the other guy tried it, again, try to keep up. Basically on one side you have a gamer who has experienced all of these games almost entirely in single player, and on the other side you have people claiming the games are all MP focused.

Try maybe playing these games? You act as if they have bare bones SP designed to get you into MP or something. And please find another thing to cling to besides time spent on the game. MP will almost always be played more than SP, it doesn’t make the SP any less important. Even Uncharted and Last of Us, MP users will play the game way way way more than SP users. I guess Uncharted and LoU are MP focused? Wow, didn’t know that. 

You’re trying to say Forza is a yearly release that barely updates, you do realize there are essentially two radically different racing franchises, Motorsports and Horizon, that share the Forza name? You’re only revealing how ignorant you are with these comments. Horizon is not MP focused. If anything it’s social focused. Think Driveclub but way better implementation of social aspects. The idea is to race and share and compete together and you can do all without ever playing a second of actual online MP. I should know, I’ve actually done it. But I know, I know, you have some preconceived notions, fake numbers, and game ignorance that trumps reality lol.

trying your hardest to be as condescending as possible I see. But I did read your arguments with Donferrari and I remember how he posted interviews where he said MS stated that they need to do better and you right out dismissed them. But I see your not even trying anymore. so whats the point.



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