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JWeinCom said:

How about instead of ad hominem attacks you address the actual argument?

Assuming you go to mage classes at level 20 (any earlier won't really help) you'll be at mag 17 at level 20 with the minimum stats for mage classes.  By level 39 (I just chose that because that's where I am right now) your magic should be at about 23.  With Thoron (his best spell outside of aura which is too limited in uses) your atk is at 32.  Adding 3 for fiendish blow (3 instead of 6 to average out between player and enemy phases) you're at 35.  With tomefaire, 40.  Also, since this is a mag class, you don't have access to brave/killer weapons, no offensive combat skills, and your crest is now worthless.  I guess you could theoretically use magic weapons, but that seems to defeat the whole purpose.

On the map I'm at right now (ch 20) this would mean that you are offensively weaker than 33 out of the 42 enemies on the stage.  If we ignore the healers, then 31 out of 40.  In pretty much all cases, you're not just weaker, but weaker by at least 10 dmg.  And most of those enemies you do have a higher attack than compensate by using death, which at least has a good crit rate.  

The game is designed around the idea that your offensive units (and I doubt you'd be using a mage Dimitri as anything else since he gets terrible support spells and is not bulky enough in that class to be used as a tank) are going to be stronger than the enemies.  That's why they outnumber you by about 4 to 1.  I'd say we can objectively consider classify any unit who is so much weaker than the enemies (at recommended level) as bad.   Especially considering how useless they are compared to what they would be in another class, or if replaced by another unit.  

These, btw, are those enemies that you've complained are so weak that it makes the game completely devoid of challenge.  Considering that, I'm not sure how you can argue that Dimitri's magic would be "decent" by even the loosest definition of the word.  Please define what you mean by decent.  

As for, "not the best", it's not just not the best, it is actually the worst option by far.  If you don't think so, then please let me know what worse class you could choose for Dimitri.  If we want to be stupidly literal, then worst does fall under not the best, but if you say not the best when you mean the worst, then you suck at using language to convey your thoughts intelligibly, because that is not how anyone uses that phrase.

How about you read what I said? I'm not interesting in making walls of text over something dumb n pointless, especially when you're taking it way too seriously and aggressively. You're just gonna have to accept that.

I will get facts straight however, namely your incorrect claim that magic classes can't use brave/killer weapons. Any class can use any physical weapon provided they have the weapon rank for it (mounted classes can dismount to use fist). It's only magic that's class specific. Once learned skills can also be used on any class.



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Lonely_Dolphin said:
JWeinCom said:

How about instead of ad hominem attacks you address the actual argument?

Assuming you go to mage classes at level 20 (any earlier won't really help) you'll be at mag 17 at level 20 with the minimum stats for mage classes.  By level 39 (I just chose that because that's where I am right now) your magic should be at about 23.  With Thoron (his best spell outside of aura which is too limited in uses) your atk is at 32.  Adding 3 for fiendish blow (3 instead of 6 to average out between player and enemy phases) you're at 35.  With tomefaire, 40.  Also, since this is a mag class, you don't have access to brave/killer weapons, no offensive combat skills, and your crest is now worthless.  I guess you could theoretically use magic weapons, but that seems to defeat the whole purpose.

On the map I'm at right now (ch 20) this would mean that you are offensively weaker than 33 out of the 42 enemies on the stage.  If we ignore the healers, then 31 out of 40.  In pretty much all cases, you're not just weaker, but weaker by at least 10 dmg.  And most of those enemies you do have a higher attack than compensate by using death, which at least has a good crit rate.  

The game is designed around the idea that your offensive units (and I doubt you'd be using a mage Dimitri as anything else since he gets terrible support spells and is not bulky enough in that class to be used as a tank) are going to be stronger than the enemies.  That's why they outnumber you by about 4 to 1.  I'd say we can objectively consider classify any unit who is so much weaker than the enemies (at recommended level) as bad.   Especially considering how useless they are compared to what they would be in another class, or if replaced by another unit.  

These, btw, are those enemies that you've complained are so weak that it makes the game completely devoid of challenge.  Considering that, I'm not sure how you can argue that Dimitri's magic would be "decent" by even the loosest definition of the word.  Please define what you mean by decent.  

As for, "not the best", it's not just not the best, it is actually the worst option by far.  If you don't think so, then please let me know what worse class you could choose for Dimitri.  If we want to be stupidly literal, then worst does fall under not the best, but if you say not the best when you mean the worst, then you suck at using language to convey your thoughts intelligibly, because that is not how anyone uses that phrase.

How about you read what I said? I'm not interesting in making walls of text over something dumb n pointless, especially when you're taking it way too seriously and aggressively. You're just gonna have to accept that.

I will get facts straight however, namely your incorrect claim that magic classes can't use brave/killer weapons. Any class can use any physical weapon provided they have the weapon rank for it (mounted classes can dismount to use fist). It's only magic that's class specific. Once learned skills can also be used on any class.

 I'm not behind your keyboard with a gun, you don't have to say anything at all.  But if you're not going to respond to the substantive points, don't make any comments about me personally.  Cause that's an ad hominem attack, and this is the second time you've done it.  And I'm really not sure how anything I said was aggressive.

As far as the second point, yes, technically you can access the weapons, but the hypothetical is about making Dimitri a magic class, and attacking with magic.  I would assume in this hypothetical, you're not also raising all his weapon skills, as that would kind of seem to defeat the purpose.  I mentioned magic weapons, so obviously I'm aware that you do actually have access to weapons, but I meant that in this scenario you wouldn't be using them, although fair enough, I misspoke slightly.  You could have actually taken the same time it took to point that out to respond to the general point on how this build could be considered decent, but prioritize how you like I guess.



JWeinCom said:

 I'm not behind your keyboard with a gun, you don't have to say anything at all.  But if you're not going to respond to the substantive points, don't make any comments about me personally.  Cause that's an ad hominem attack, and this is the second time you've done it.  And I'm really not sure how anything I said was aggressive.

As far as the second point, yes, technically you can access the weapons, but the hypothetical is about making Dimitri a magic class, and attacking with magic.  I would assume in this hypothetical, you're not also raising all his weapon skills, as that would kind of seem to defeat the purpose.  I mentioned magic weapons, so obviously I'm aware that you do actually have access to weapons, but I meant that in this scenario you wouldn't be using them, although fair enough, I misspoke slightly.  You could have actually taken the same time it took to point that out to respond to the general point on how this build could be considered decent, but prioritize how you like I guess.

Uh, no, lol. If you can't handle your person being put into question you're best off not on the internet. Also the purpose wasn't to attack but to explain why I wont engage in the argument with you, but take it however pleases you.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
JWeinCom said:

 I'm not behind your keyboard with a gun, you don't have to say anything at all.  But if you're not going to respond to the substantive points, don't make any comments about me personally.  Cause that's an ad hominem attack, and this is the second time you've done it.  And I'm really not sure how anything I said was aggressive.

As far as the second point, yes, technically you can access the weapons, but the hypothetical is about making Dimitri a magic class, and attacking with magic.  I would assume in this hypothetical, you're not also raising all his weapon skills, as that would kind of seem to defeat the purpose.  I mentioned magic weapons, so obviously I'm aware that you do actually have access to weapons, but I meant that in this scenario you wouldn't be using them, although fair enough, I misspoke slightly.  You could have actually taken the same time it took to point that out to respond to the general point on how this build could be considered decent, but prioritize how you like I guess.

Uh, no, lol. If you can't handle your person being put into question you're best off not on the internet. Also the purpose wasn't to attack but to explain why I wont engage in the argument with you, but take it however pleases you.

Again, time spent addressing me directly that could have been used just as easily to actually defend the point you were making.  Glad you find me so much more interesting to talk about.



JWeinCom said:

Again, time spent addressing me directly that could have been used just as easily to actually defend the point you were making.  Glad you find me so much more interesting to talk about.

I do find it very interesting how badly you wanna write walls o text over something so trivial haha. 



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Lonely_Dolphin said:
JWeinCom said:

Again, time spent addressing me directly that could have been used just as easily to actually defend the point you were making.  Glad you find me so much more interesting to talk about.

I do find it very interesting how badly you wanna write walls o text over something so trivial haha. 

Because I'm on a gaming message board... and discussing games is specifically what I come here to do?  And I personally found that point interesting? Again, if you don't want to engage, don't, but you're borderline flaming at this point.



JWeinCom said:

Because I'm on a gaming message board... and discussing games is specifically what I come here to do?  And I personally found that point interesting? Again, if you don't want to engage, don't, but you're borderline flaming at this point.

I'd love to hear you explain how I'm flaming.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
JWeinCom said:

Because I'm on a gaming message board... and discussing games is specifically what I come here to do?  And I personally found that point interesting? Again, if you don't want to engage, don't, but you're borderline flaming at this point.

I'd love to hear you explain how I'm flaming.

Because despite the fact that I asked you respectfully several times, you continue to make posts about me as a person, and are kind of insulting me in regards to how I choose to spend my time.  You're insinuating that I'm petty, aggressive, and specifically out to antagonize.  Not the most egregious insults I've ever heard, which is why I said borderline.  

You're also now completely derailing the thread.  I was talking about Fire Emblem.  I actually posted something about the game.  Trivial as it may have been to you, it's on topic.  And while apparently that was too petty to respond to, you find the topic of why I chose to post it a worthwhile point of discussion.  *Shrug*

So, stop saying anything about me as a person, and stop derailing the thread.  I'll flag anything further in that regard, and I'll leave the mods to decide if it amounts to flaming.  Anything about the potential viability of reclassing Dimitri as a mage?  Otherwise, don't let the metaphorical door hit you.

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 04 September 2019

Super_Boom said:
JWeinCom said:

Potential spoilers, but assuming you do new game + it will be easier to recruit everyone.  You can use renown to upgrade your supports to what they were in the last playthrough, making it easier to recruit them, or use renown to increase Byleth's skills.  Of course, there are some characters that cannot be recruited on certain routes.  Also, keep in mind, if it's not to late, that certain people (Lysithia for instance) can be spared if you finish them off with Byleth.

That's good to know about NG+ ...will make things much easier on my weak heart.

I restarted the stage because it got a bit too chaotic (even though I guess that's the point), but I think I can see a way to win with minimal named character casualties. If I have to kill that character I'll do with the MC though, thanks for the tip!

I actually think you can get through Blue Lions without actually killing anyone from the Monastery.  Edlegard's path on the other hand... well if you have trouble with offing named units that may not be the path for you.



JWeinCom said:

Because despite the fact that I asked you respectfully several times, you continue to make posts about me as a person, and are kind of insulting me in regards to how I choose to spend my time.  You're insinuating that I'm petty, aggressive, and specifically out to antagonize.  Not the most egregious insults I've ever heard, which is why I said borderline.  

You're also now completely derailing the thread.  I was talking about Fire Emblem.  I actually posted something about the game.  Trivial as it may have been to you, it's on topic.  And while apparently that was too petty to respond to, you find the topic of why I chose to post it a worthwhile point of discussion.  *Shrug*

So, stop saying anything personal about me, and stop derailing the thread.  I'll flag anything further in that regard, and I'll leave the mods to decide if it amounts to flaming.  Anything about the potential viability of reclassing Dimitri as a mage?  Otherwise, don't let the metaphorical door hit you.

Your own post insinuate that much lol, but ok I guess you could spin it that way. Here's how I could spin the situation, that despite that fact I've told you repeatedly I don't want to argue, you keep trying to bait me rather than just dropping it.

Take responsibility, you're just as guilty for thread derailing, it takes two to hold a conversation afterall. I'm not one for derailing so this will be my last response to you, and now that I know you're like this, I'll be sure to avoid such situations with you in the future.