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NightlyPoe said:
Ganoncrotch said:

you can carry 60 meals, at no point when I'm fighting a Lynel do I need to find a pot to cook up some Str food because I've got a stock of at least 10 before I go out to hunt things, by the same logic I also have the food for max Hp/Stam and resistance to hot/cold/burning with me always, like I said there's 60 spaces for meals, boy scout that shit and be prepared!

So now your solution is to go back in time and prepare better?

And, again, the solution doesn't even address the slipping problem.

My solution to wanting to be better at the game is to be better at the game, for climbing to the highest regions of the game you can't do that in your underpants without any preparation. Again in the same way with any game you shouldn't expect to be able to go / do everything without some preparation.

If you have issues and find climbing to those high peaks to be something you find impossible, don't do it, go around, eat some dirt for a while and go the long way around, while doing so it will give you the time to think up of new and clever names for things in the game such as "slipping problem" rather than a game mechanic where wet things are harder to climb lol.

When you face a Silver Lynel with a buffed AP weapon... do you consider getting that in the mouth a "Mace Problem" within the game? Or do you avoid them because they are hard, the same survival skills apply to tough enemies as it does tough terrain, you can avoid things that are hard... but you'll need to find a longer way around.

Again I'll say if you remove all the challenges from a game and let people no clip around the map then there would be no feeling of achievement in doing anything in the game, you could just warp to all shrines and then into ganons mouth.



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NightlyPoe said:
Ganoncrotch said:

My solution to wanting to be better at the game is to be better at the game, for climbing to the highest regions of the game you can't do that in your underpants without any preparation. Again in the same way with any game you shouldn't expect to be able to go / do everything without some preparation.

If you have issues and find climbing to those high peaks to be something you find impossible, don't do it, go around, eat some dirt for a while and go the long way around, while doing so it will give you the time to think up of new and clever names for things in the game such as "slipping problem" rather than a game mechanic where wet things are harder to climb lol.

When you face a Silver Lynel with a buffed AP weapon... do you consider getting that in the mouth a "Mace Problem" within the game? Or do you avoid them because they are hard, the same survival skills apply to tough enemies as it does tough terrain, you can avoid things that are hard... but you'll need to find a longer way around.

Again I'll say if you remove all the challenges from a game and let people no clip around the map then there would be no feeling of achievement in doing anything in the game, you could just warp to all shrines and then into ganons mouth.

I feel as though you completely ignore what I have to say and are beating up a strawman.  This issue has been addressed several times now.  I have no problem not going somewhere I am not prepared for.  We are not talking about facing a lynel.   All of your "get good" comments miss the point, instead preferring to address obstacles designed to be overcome.

The discussion is not about an obstacle to be overcome.  The discussion at hand is an easily obtainable goal at even an early-game level that is blocked by time-locked RNG, where the easiest/fastest solution is always to wait until the rain has passed.  There is no need to go out and increase your stamina (and it will not help if you did).  There is no need to go find new gear (and it will not help if you did).  There is not a solution available that will take less time.  There is not an alternate route.

If I put down my controller for a few minutes and toss my clothes in the drier, I will be closer to my goal when I return.

I find that mechanic to be poor.  If you prefer to run around in the meantime, that's up to you, but you're still essentially waiting for the time-lock to end.  Any time you can come closer to your goal by disengaging from the game, the developer goofed up.

If you are just referring to the RNG weather system, then I'm guessing you also hate the lightning because if that ever pops up in a region you want to fight something with just metal weapons then you're going to have to sit under a tree (or away from a tree) and wait that one out too?

You know if you want to skip time forward to avoid anything that cycles up on that weather system you can start a campfire, this I would only advise doing if you just have 1 specific goal at a perticular time which you have to climb over a randomly wet rock for... but dear me that isn't a "put down the controller" requiring thing, you know what you need to skip time with sleep in the game? You need a piece of wood, now you will encounter one of these.... when you open the tomb you were sleeping in at the beginning of the game, you are in an area surrounded by trees, now you'll also need a piece of flint, which you will get one of at the base of the first hill before you go up towards the destroyed Temple of time, and you'll also need a metal weapon of some type to strike the flint after you drop it next to a piece of wood... you will have 2 by the time you get to the side of the first piece of water, a wood cutting Axe and likely a rusted sword from the island in the water.... you need to advance an entire 5 mins into the game from jump to have the tools to not have to go off and do laundry to skip weather... as long as you know the game mechanics.

And you know that rain doesn't just make rocks wet in the game so as to make your game with just 1 goal harder right? Rain also causes tons of ambiant noises, it covers the sounds of your footsteps over animals and enemies, it will also lower certain enemies vision range and completely negate enemies who would fire bomb arrows at you, those instantly extinguish when fired in the rain and can be collected if you encounter enemies who use them near rain. Rain also creates puddles on the ground and wets enemies which massively increases the damage done by lightning attacks, from both elemental melee weapons and lightning arrows.

See.... there is pro's and con's to each thing in the game, the idea is that you make use of parts of the wild that you want to benefit from and you try to make it so you get as few negatives as possible, as in you're never going to want to do the lightning trial or fight something during lightning with metal weapons... but at the same time, enemies can pick up metal weapons too.... and some enemies are stupid and will hold one during a storm for you if you chuck it near them. By the same logic during your rain shower you might consider doing something like sneaking through a camp where you can now get closer thanks to the increased stealth effects from it.

But again... if you are more than 5 mins into the game and know how to combine that wood, the flint and a metal weapon, then you shouldn't be stepping away from the game to again avoid something in the game where you can use in game mechanics to skip over with ease. The game raises you a challenge of sorts and you answer by waiting til the game gets bored of offering that challenge and offers up a sun shiny day instead. You going to the laundry in that case... is you taking the long way around.



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NightlyPoe said:
Ganoncrotch said:

If you are just referring to the RNG weather system, then I'm guessing you also hate the lightning because if that ever pops up in a region you want to fight something with just metal weapons then you're going to have to sit under a tree (or away from a tree) and wait that one out too?

Yeah, I'm just done with you and your changing the subject.

Lol, maybe put down the keyboard, go do some laundry and come back later to see if the thread has people who agree with you instead of listening to me telling you there are ways around the issue you're having which you would have collected in the first 5 minutes of play. 

I've not changed the subject once, the subject is simply understanding and overcoming the challenges of a game. Your attempt to call them bad design because you do not understand why they're in the game is what it boils down to. I think the game wouldn't have gotten the rating it achieved if the game didn't challenge the players as it did.

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mZuzek said:
Fallawful said:

We don't speak about Skyward Sword. 

I do.

Edit: and yeah Rol it is true. It's always daytime and sunny in Skyward Sword (despite there being a cloud barrier in the sky (????)). Since the gameplay is limited and linear, they decided to make it always look pretty instead of having weather in the game. Night-time only exists in the game if you sleep on a bed in Skyloft, and is limited to only three islands if I recall correctly.

Woah boy yes you do.

Not bad 



NightlyPoe said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Lol, maybe put down the keyboard, go do some laundry and come back later to see if the thread has people who agree with you instead of listening to me telling you there are ways around the issue you're having which you would have collected in the first 5 minutes of play. 

Campfires don't work in the rain.

This is going to be my last post in this thread.  The behavior of the some fans of Breath of the Wild in this thread has been terrible.  There is no reason any of you should have mocked, questioned my maturity, or insisted I was playing wrong because I used a solution that works for a problem that, in your opinion, isn't how you're supposed to play.  Instead demanding I use solutions that often do not work.

Instead of thinking, just for a second, "Hey, maybe it is a design issue if it caused this person to disengage from the game," you each went on the offensive in order to reflexively defend your precious game.  It's not a perfect game and it does have issues that people will not like.  It's time for you to sit back and accept that instead of going on the attack.

I've read all this thread and you are just being stubborn. 

People have given you a dozen different things you can do to work around the rain, and all you come back to is "I want to sit my controller down and wait it out" and then bitch that its a horrible game mechanic and made you quit the game. 

You won't be missed. There was no discussion to be had with you.

Besides, you can climb in the rain. Link climbs three times, then jump, the rain will slide you down some but you will be up higher than when you started. Keep doing that if you are so persistent on climbing the damn wall in front of you. May have to eat a bit of food to make the full height, but climbing is 100% possible in the rain.

Or go make a camp fire and sleep to make it go away. Don't say their is no cover. Make some cover. The game lets you do anything. And doing anything will be way quicker than setting the controller down and twiddling your thumbs checking facebook on your phone. 



irstupid said:
NightlyPoe said:

Campfires don't work in the rain.

This is going to be my last post in this thread.  The behavior of the some fans of Breath of the Wild in this thread has been terrible.  There is no reason any of you should have mocked, questioned my maturity, or insisted I was playing wrong because I used a solution that works for a problem that, in your opinion, isn't how you're supposed to play.  Instead demanding I use solutions that often do not work.

Instead of thinking, just for a second, "Hey, maybe it is a design issue if it caused this person to disengage from the game," you each went on the offensive in order to reflexively defend your precious game.  It's not a perfect game and it does have issues that people will not like.  It's time for you to sit back and accept that instead of going on the attack.

I've read all this thread and you are just being stubborn. 

People have given you a dozen different things you can do to work around the rain, and all you come back to is "I want to sit my controller down and wait it out" and then bitch that its a horrible game mechanic and made you quit the game. 

You won't be missed. There was no discussion to be had with you.

Besides, you can climb in the rain. Link climbs three times, then jump, the rain will slide you down some but you will be up higher than when you started. Keep doing that if you are so persistent on climbing the damn wall in front of you. May have to eat a bit of food to make the full height, but climbing is 100% possible in the rain.

Or go make a camp fire and sleep to make it go away. Don't say their is no cover. Make some cover. The game lets you do anything. And doing anything will be way quicker than setting the controller down and twiddling your thumbs checking facebook on your phone. 

He has taken the same method of combating the challenges in game as with the challenges others raised here. We were unfair, used badly designed arguments and for the time being he has quit, perhaps he will return when the sun comes out and we stop raining on his parade about how terrible the game is.

Look I never wanted to come down harsh in my posts or go on an attack regarding how I love the game, I absolutely do love the game but as I've said before, it's very possible for someone to go into it and not get the same experience that I found in it, if you would enjoy more tutorials and a little more story direction then Botw isn't for you, it would be more likely that someone would enjoy an assassins creed type game which gives you far more ushering in the direction the game wants you to travel.

As for people being mean regarding the "solution" to just not play the game until the rain stopped... I don't mean to be mean by saying that you're doing something in one of the most backward ways, but the game offers so many other options than sit back and smell the daisies for 10 minutes, but if you rather play breath of the wild enjoying some of the rainy scenery then that's awesome too, the game is so open to be explored and enjoyed in many different ways and styles, my main reason to come down on the method as being daft... is because Nightly doesn't enjoy the way he is tackling the tasks and seems to want to think that he is doing it the only way possible as such it's not the fact that he is doing it wrong, but that there is no alternative to his choice as such the game is flawed.

As for campfires go out in rain.... aye they do, but there is cover oppertunities literally everywhere in the world

Anyways he chipped off, the game is out for 2 years, I guess if someone feels one way or the other about it now that opinion is unlikely to change after a few forum posts on here.



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Ganoncrotch said:

When life gives you lemons..... in flate them and use them to sail into the sky! Pick up a Korok leaf before take off as well and you can use the gusts to have more control of your aircraft / treetrunk

Fantastic.

Stuff like this is why I love BOTW so much.

This is just one possible solution, and not only is it more fun than putting down the controller and waiting, it's also faster too, as it's still raining when he reaches the top of the cliff.