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Best Spider-Man movies?

Spider-Man (2002) Trilogy 19 51.35%
 
Amazing Spider-Man Duology 3 8.11%
 
Spider-Man Home Duology 15 40.54%
 
Total:37

I honestly think you should just play Spider-Man PS4 or watch Spiderverse. Those do a fantastic job of portraying a more adult Peter Parker with more shit to deal with. I'm honestly glad that they're going with a new interpretation for the MCU. The previous live action Spider-Man movies didn't portray Spider-Man as an inexperienced youth who didn't know how to deal with his responsibilities and was constantly living in the shadow of peoples' expectations. Frankly, I think its really cool that we see a more naïve Spider-Man that doesn't know how to handle his powers and doesn't want to fully accept the expectations and responsibility that has been placed onto him. I think it makes a lot of sense for Peter to chase after MJ and have that cloud his responsibility of being Spider-Man since I think that makes sense for a kid who doesn't understand the power that he has. The core idea of this character has always been about a kid who struggled with his real life duties and his responsibility to use his powers for good whilst dealing with tragedies occurring in his own life. I think it makes more sense to have a kid in this interpretation since his inability to immediately accept his powers and deal with the expectations that people put on him for being Spider-Man feel more believable. The Raimi trilogy perfectly encapsulated the essence of an adult Peter Parker who had real life problems to deal with. I honestly don't think there have been many solid portrayals of Spider-Man as a kid outside the comic books, so I feel that this concept is more welcome in the MCU. Also, maybe its just me, but I really didn't see any political statements being made with this movie. MJ was spunky and made a couple of remarks, but I didn't really feel that there were any political statements being made. To be honest, after the fucking abysmal Amazing Spider-Man movies a couple of years ago, I'm glad this series is taking a new approach with the character whilst still maintaining that core idea of Spider-Man.

Last edited by Smartie900 - on 22 July 2019

 

 

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Snoorlax said:

Hiku said:

You'd imagine people would get this out of their system the first 500 times they made this accusation/posed this question for a game/movie.

If not, make a thread about it in the politics section please. Try to keep that out of the entertainment sections from now on, unless there's a proper case to be made for it.

You're the one making this into a political case, i've just pointed it out as criticism towards the movie and the character of MJ and how unrealistic it is when nobody else but MJ can easily make the connection. I don't care if you agree/disagree but it seems to me like you are saying criticisms that you don't like are not allowed in the movie threads now?

Secondly, if you really believe mainstream movies these days that are supposed to be just "fun and entertaining" aren't filled with SWJ and political undertones and some of us are just exaggerating then you really need to check yourself or you're just ignoring it. I don't care if women are the hero or the strongest, i do have a problem if they don't make sense especially in movies that i like, like Star Wars or Spider-Man.

You said "Is this another one of those stealthy political statements?". And when someone responds to your question, you're saying they're the ones who made a political case of what you brought up...? That's what happens when you bring it up.

I didn't suggest such things never occur. But to suspect almost every possible instance of it, including something as trivial as one person noticing that he is Spiderman before others, is looking pretty ridiculous.

It's not criticism I don't like. It's stealth political threads outside of the politics section, with a non-constructive question that you know has no answer, and serves no purpose other than instigating with a group of people.

If you're still not tired of the same discussion going nowhere for the 500th time, then make a thread about it in the politics section. Don't sneak this into the entertainment sections.

Last edited by Hiku - on 22 July 2019

Best Spider-man film made was Into the Spiderverse, although more of a Mile Morales film as opposed to Peter Parker but still. Problem is the films have to appeal to their main audience, sadly that's not full grown adult men who read comics, it's kids. A Spider-man film dealing with his issues over his marriage, death of Aunt May or issues he has juggling being a hero against having a job might not be that fun to watch. Works well in comics as they allow for an ongoing soap opera like narrative.

Spiderverse did great for many of those things but kept it simple and light hearted as Miles was the star, not Peter Parker. The Peter we have in the MCU films just isn't Peter Parker we know, heck none of the characters really are. MJ isn't MJ, she's Michelle someone, moody emo girl, not the outgoing gorgeous girl next door from the comics. No Ben, Tony is the Ben of that world. Heck, even Peter Parker isn't himself and is being turned into more of a Iron Man Jr (Sooner they add the Young Avengers to the MCU the better, get Iron Lad in there), no spinning wise cracks in fights because he's nervous, no achievements or sacrifices of his own like Peter would do.

I was talking to a friend of mine about the next set of films and was saying that Peter Parker needs to be the next big character in the MCU because Peter IS Marvel, he's the star, always is always will be, the idea that plain slate Carol Danvers is the next front of MCU is stupid, she's not likeable, Carol never has been. But my friend made a good point, IF Spider-man becomes too successful in this guise of the MCU, Sony still have power right? They can say 'alright' we are pulling him out of MCU and just end the deal. Marvel don't want that, they want control of their characters.

Sony are at least doing other things with their purchased licence with Venom, Morbius and Spider-verse, all more mature themed (hopefully on Morbius), shame Universal aren't doing the same with Hulk. Seriously, Universal, where is our She-Hulk? I want a lawyer film with a big green woman at the helm.

Last edited by The Fury - on 25 July 2019

Hmm, pie.

danasider said:
Also, Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse should be in the poll. It's the best Spider-Man movie, imho, but it doesn't get the type of attention, because it's animated, and it's main protagonist is not the original Spider-Man (although his relationship with the Peter Parker iteration is central to the plot so we get the best of both worlds). Blows away the duologies. And it's got more polish, more character development, and less cringe than the Raimi films even though that trilogy was phenomenal. It's just that good.

I would've preferred if they introduced Miles Morales for this new generation of viewers instead of fucking up Peter Parker and the people around him. It's actually weird they haven't taken the opportunity of casting Miles as the New Spider-Man I'm pretty sure the mainstream audience and fans are ready for a Black Hispanic Spider-Man since he is a cool character after all.

But that's why I didn't include Into Spider-Verse because it's not mainstream and it hasnt gotten it's own series of movies yet. 



Snoorlax said:
danasider said:
Also, Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse should be in the poll. It's the best Spider-Man movie, imho, but it doesn't get the type of attention, because it's animated, and it's main protagonist is not the original Spider-Man (although his relationship with the Peter Parker iteration is central to the plot so we get the best of both worlds). Blows away the duologies. And it's got more polish, more character development, and less cringe than the Raimi films even though that trilogy was phenomenal. It's just that good.

I would've preferred if they introduced Miles Morales for this new generation of viewers instead of fucking up Peter Parker and the people around him. It's actually weird they haven't taken the opportunity of casting Miles as the New Spider-Man I'm pretty sure the mainstream audience and fans are ready for a Black Hispanic Spider-Man since he is a cool character after all.

But that's why I didn't include Into Spider-Verse because it's not mainstream and it hasnt gotten it's own series of movies yet. 

It made $190 million domestic and $375 million worldwide on a $90 million budget. And a sequel is already in the works.



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Snoorlax said:
danasider said:
Also, Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse should be in the poll. It's the best Spider-Man movie, imho, but it doesn't get the type of attention, because it's animated, and it's main protagonist is not the original Spider-Man (although his relationship with the Peter Parker iteration is central to the plot so we get the best of both worlds). Blows away the duologies. And it's got more polish, more character development, and less cringe than the Raimi films even though that trilogy was phenomenal. It's just that good.

I would've preferred if they introduced Miles Morales for this new generation of viewers instead of fucking up Peter Parker and the people around him. It's actually weird they haven't taken the opportunity of casting Miles as the New Spider-Man I'm pretty sure the mainstream audience and fans are ready for a Black Hispanic Spider-Man since he is a cool character after all.

But that's why I didn't include Into Spider-Verse because it's not mainstream and it hasnt gotten it's own series of movies yet. 

Eh, Into the Spider-Verse is by far the best representation of Miles Morales.  And even at that, the movie succeeded in spite of him, not because of him.



NightlyPoe said:
Snoorlax said:

I would've preferred if they introduced Miles Morales for this new generation of viewers instead of fucking up Peter Parker and the people around him. It's actually weird they haven't taken the opportunity of casting Miles as the New Spider-Man I'm pretty sure the mainstream audience and fans are ready for a Black Hispanic Spider-Man since he is a cool character after all.

But that's why I didn't include Into Spider-Verse because it's not mainstream and it hasnt gotten it's own series of movies yet. 

Eh, Into the Spider-Verse is by far the best representation of Miles Morales.  And even at that, the movie succeeded in spite of him, not because of him.

As someone who only knows the character from the movie and nothing more... no.



mZuzek said:
NightlyPoe said:

Eh, Into the Spider-Verse is by far the best representation of Miles Morales.  And even at that, the movie succeeded in spite of him, not because of him.

As someone who only knows the character from the movie and nothing more... no.

As you say.  I thought the movie got so much praise because of the experimental animation, artwork, vibrant supporting cast, and cohesive world-building.

You'll have a hard time convincing me that the movie would have been hype if it had been forced to rely on Mile's story of the power of believing in yourself mixed with a fun uncle vs. responsibly daddy plot.

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NightlyPoe said:
mZuzek said:

As someone who only knows the character from the movie and nothing more... no.

As you say.  I thought the movie got so much praise because of the experimental animation, artwork, vibrant supporting cast, and cohesive world-building.

You'll have a hard time convincing me that the movie would have been hype if it had been forced to rely on Mile's story of the power of believing in yourself mixed with a fun uncle vs. responsibly daddy plot.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I love that movie and all of its vibrant supporting cast, and my favorite character in it is Miles, hands down. That's my opinion and I'm sure many other people's too. You don't share it, that's fine, but don't blame the movie for something it's not at fault for.



mZuzek said:
NightlyPoe said:

As you say.  I thought the movie got so much praise because of the experimental animation, artwork, vibrant supporting cast, and cohesive world-building.

You'll have a hard time convincing me that the movie would have been hype if it had been forced to rely on Mile's story of the power of believing in yourself mixed with a fun uncle vs. responsibly daddy plot.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I love that movie and all of its vibrant supporting cast, and my favorite character in it is Miles, hands down. That's my opinion and I'm sure many other people's too. You don't share it, that's fine, but don't blame the movie for something it's not at fault for.

I'm not blaming the movie for anything.  Like I said, it was by far the best Miles we've ever seen.

I just don't think that's saying much.

Personally, I wish they'd run a similar multiverse story with Mayday Parker.  Not only is she a much better character (she was such a fan favorite that they kept that book going long after the MC2 experiment was abandoned in favor of the Ultimate line), but it actually works better with the movie.  Have her inherited powers manifest as Peter dons a cybernetic leg to fight Kingpin one last time.  She watches her father die, and then is stuck with this out-of-shape doppelganger of her father.  Growing into her powers, she learns the basics of being a superhero from Fat Peter while the core of the lessons taught to May by her father flow back and remind Fat Peter about being a superhero.

That's a much deeper story I think.