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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 6 July 2019

Switch almost 2:1 over PS4 globally.

Mario Maker 2 has pushed a lot of units even beyond its launch week, so much for the theory that it wouldn't be a system seller cos "people who like Mario already have a Switch."

CrazyGamer2017 said:

The PS4 is weakening overall and almost not being number one in sales anymore so I stand by what I said a long time ago: PS4 life time sales between 100 and 110 million units.

130 million is the floor for PS4 lifetime sales IMO.



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Decent sales for a console that cost $299/399. With a super slim announcement in September for $199 and a pro reduction/pro slim at $299 sales will start to rise again. LOL at people saying that LT sales will be around 100-110 millions. I expect around 130-140 millions. 

Incredible sales for the switch, I expect a significant drop next week.

Xbox One.... well what can I say :(



curl-6 said:

Switch almost 2:1 over PS4 globally.

Mario Maker 2 has pushed a lot of units even beyond its launch week, so much for the theory that it wouldn't be a system seller cos "people who like Mario already have a Switch."

CrazyGamer2017 said:

The PS4 is weakening overall and almost not being number one in sales anymore so I stand by what I said a long time ago: PS4 life time sales between 100 and 110 million units.

130 million is the floor for PS4 lifetime sales IMO.

2D Mario always sells better than 3D Mario. Nintendo did not invest in 2d Mario the series decreases in sales. She placed second teams and invested very little in the New series the series fell in sales on Wiiu and 3DS. A 2D Mario, with AAA quality, with new worlds, villains, new multiplayer modes (à la DS New Mario) will sell 10-20M. Regular sales of Mario Editor and a port NSMBU are an indicator of this.



Agente42 said:
curl-6 said:

Switch almost 2:1 over PS4 globally.

Mario Maker 2 has pushed a lot of units even beyond its launch week, so much for the theory that it wouldn't be a system seller cos "people who like Mario already have a Switch."

130 million is the floor for PS4 lifetime sales IMO.

2D Mario always sells better than 3D Mario. Nintendo did not invest in 2d Mario the series decreases in sales. She placed second teams and invested very little in the New series the series fell in sales on Wiiu and 3DS. A 2D Mario, with AAA quality, with new worlds, villains, new multiplayer modes (à la DS New Mario) will sell 10-20M. Regular sales of Mario Editor and a port NSMBU are an indicator of this.

Yeah I've felt for many years Nintendo have been pissing it in with 2D Mario and failing to make the most of its potential. MM2 at least brings in a new level of visual quality in the 3D World mode, (Which is what 2D Mario should have looked like on Wii U in the first place rather than just NSMBWii in HD) and more variety. As a 2D Mario game, it's the best one since World in 1990.

Still, you see a lot of people dismissing games like this or BOTW2 as system sellers cos "people who like Mario/Zelda games already bought a Switch in 2017", this shows that's not necessarily true.



Nintendo chugging along, the others... not so much.

Next two weeks will become very interesting, with the Lite, the new longer battery life Switch announcement, and of course the quarterly reports now coming in the next days.



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I think it's already safe to say that the XBox All Digital Edition had no sustained impact. I wonder how this influences Microsoft's next gen plans.



People saying the ps4 is going to sell 140 million reminds me of the people who said the ps3 was going to sell 100 million just before the ps4 released.



CGI-Quality said:
pikashoe said:

I'd say between 110 and 120 million is more likely.

Both predictions will prove too low.

If the PS5 flops and people continue buying the PS4 instead, yes.

Otherwise, it's getting tough to imagine the PS4 still selling over 120M. It's already close to 2M down compared to same time last year (2M should be reached in 2 weeks), and the gap keeps growing faster. Even a $100 cheaper Superslim could only do so much anymore, and the longer it takes before it's getting released, the harder it will get to get to 120M and over.

For the record, I expect the PS4 to sell another 7M (without a Superslim) to 9M (with a superslim releasing this year), making it 12-14M for this year and 104-106M total sales. Next year, with the PS5 reveal, I expect the sales to come crashing down to about 6-7M, so 110M-113M, and an additional 4-5M after that, so 114M-118M total. Not far below the 120M, mind you, but not past it either.



pikashoe said:
People saying the ps4 is going to sell 140 million reminds me of the people who said the ps3 was going to sell 100 million just before the ps4 released.

I didn't see anyone say 140 million.

I said 130 million; I think the situation is different to PS3 as PS4's price can be brought lower due to not using exotic custom chips and hence I think it will sell for longer after PS5 comes out as a $200 entry level system.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Both predictions will prove too low.

If the PS5 flops and people continue buying the PS4 instead, yes.

Otherwise, it's getting tough to imagine the PS4 still selling over 120M. It's already close to 2M down compared to same time last year (2M should be reached in 2 weeks), and the gap keeps growing faster. Even a $100 cheaper Superslim could only do so much anymore, and the longer it takes before it's getting released, the harder it will get to get to 120M and over.

For the record, I expect the PS4 to sell another 7M (without a Superslim) to 9M (with a superslim releasing this year), making it 12-14M for this year and 104-106M total sales. Next year, with the PS5 reveal, I expect the sales to come crashing down to about 6-7M, so 110M-113M, and an additional 4-5M after that, so 114M-118M total. Not far below the 120M, mind you, but not past it either.

"Next year, with the PS5 reveal, I expect the sales to come crashing down to about 6-7M" - The PS3 sold 8.2m in 2013, the PS4 was revealed February 2013... there's no way the PS4 crashes down to 6-7m and sells even worse than the ps3 did in this time frame.

Sony's forecast is 16m shipped this fiscal year. Which would mean 112.8m shipped by March 31st 2020?

For them to ship less than 120m would be insane.

FY 2013/2014 - 7.5m
FY 2014/2015 - 14.8m
FY 2015/2016 - 17.7m
FY 2016/2017 -  20m
FY 2017/2018 - 19m
FY 2018/2019 - 17.8m
FY 2019/2020 - 16m       (FORECAST)

So that puts them up to 112.8m, even if they don't quite meet the forecast this year they'll still be on track for 120m+ over the next few years.

The PS3 didn't stop production/shipments until May 2017, 3 and a half years after the PS4 released, and that was a much less successful console.

FY 2020/2021 - 8m
FY 2021/2022 - 3.5m
FY 2022/2023 - 1.5m

Conservative estimate, would put PS4 at 125.8m lifetime.