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eva01beserk said:
curl-6 said:

I'm interested in what MS's strategy will be this holiday season; practically give the Xbox One away to try to remain relevant and competitive, or do what Nintendo did with the Wii U; accept its a dead duck and just wait it out.

If the xbox SAD was not clear enough for them then they will never get it. All we can do is wait for another greatest conference off all time to see what they are planing. 

What's Xbox SAD?



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thismeintiel said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Games like what, Sheppu Mengitis Teppen X? People make a big deal about games like this but then you look at software sales and those games don’t actually mean shit to a vast majority of people.

Also what is this “ditch their current audience again” stuff? They continued to release 360 games after Xbone. Hell they’re launching that next gen you mentioned with a Halo game... or their current audience can just play it on their Xbone. They have GamePass which will continue to support titles from all of their consoles, and xCloud which will let their current audience play those next gen games without even needing the new console. All that stuff you listed for Sony like good will and BC, Microsoft already has.

I know you like to poop on MS and constantly predict their retreat from the market but at least keep it based in reality, friend.

I'd say HW sales paint a different picture. Sure, one title probably doesn't make a difference, but add up all the ones not showing up on XBO that are on PS4 and it starts to make a difference. Then you have all the games showing up on PS4 first, not all of them because of deals, that tip the scales greatly in PS's favor.

A lot of their 360 died after XBO launch, unless you count Kinect games. Scarlett isn't even out and releases have already started drying up. Like MS, I'm sure you'll count a cross-gen title and having xCloud on XBO as great after launch support.

And as I've said before, stop representing what I have said just to f make a feeble attempt at a dig. Didn't say they'd leave the gaming market, just the HW market.

HW sales are what they are for lots of reasons. I'm not implying these games are not a reason, but if they were nearly as big a reason people make them out to be, they'd be showing up on sales charts. But they don't, they're a very niche situation in a vast majority of cases. What you're left with is PS4 being what 360 was last gen, the de facto standard dudebro console plus getting lots of third party marketing deals plus Sony is simply stronger in more territories. It would outsell the Xbone in Europe and Japan even without Kinjetsumoto Dragon Z launching console exclusive.

Their 360 output outside of Kinect games last gen had already started to slow down well before they began marketing next gen. But we still got Horizon 2, Titanfall, Motocross Madness, Battleblock Theater, Skulls of the Shogun, Lococycle, Fantasia, Super Time Force, Screamride, Ascend, State of Decay, among others I am forgetting the year the Xbone launched and 2014. Far from abandoning anyone. I believe Fable Anniversary was 2014 as well.

The bolded part is sheer nonsense. Why would a Halo game on Xbone not be considered great Xbone support? And you speak as if that's the last Xbone game MS will make lol. They showed plenty of good Xbone games at E3, give the conference a watch some time, ignorance is no excuse to speak incorrectly on things.

The thread is literally about Xbone hardware. When I say exit the market, I'm talking hardware. Either way it's irrelevant and you're just flinging shit at the wall every year hoping it eventually sticks.



Cerebralbore101 said:
eva01beserk said:

If the xbox SAD was not clear enough for them then they will never get it. All we can do is wait for another greatest conference off all time to see what they are planing. 

What's Xbox SAD?

The all digital Xbox. Some podcast coined the term Xbox SAD for Xbox One S All-Digital. EZA? I forget.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

What's Xbox SAD?

The all digital Xbox. Some podcast coined the term Xbox SAD for Xbox One S All-Digital. EZA? I forget.

Ha! That's a good name for a diskless console that costs more than the standard edition!



Geralt99 said:
This gen is a wrap for xbox. I dont see them selling more than 50 million.
Hopefully they bounce back next gen and give a tough fight to sony.

Yeah at this point I think they'd be better off taking a leaf from Nintendo's book in how they handled their comeback from Wii U to Switch. Sometimes it's better off not to spend too much resources bailing out a sinking ship; you weather the storm for a bit, regroup, then come out swinging with the next system.

Nintendo for instance could have slashed the Wii U's price to $200 in 2016 or made more of their early Switch titles cross-gen, but they chose not to, focusing instead on the future.

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If you look at the HW sales between XB, PS and Switch, the notable issue for XB is North America sales. In the past, XB was on par or better than PS in NA, but now it is trailing much behind Switch and PS, which suggests that XB audience is moving to PC and Switch.  Europe has been traditionally PS territory, amd continues to be so, while Nintendo is dominating Japan (handheld market). 

If XB sales continues to decline like this, I wonder if Scarlett can resurrect the console business. After all the problem is not the HW, since XB1X is the most powerful console already.



It's too simplistic to say that price is the most crucial factor for consumers here. It is for some of them, namely those who can't really tell one machine from another but simply need to buy something for their kids to play on, for as cheap as possible.
I'd say perception is key here. What does the brand tell you? What is the word on the "streets", namely the internet and word of mouth. Marketing, the launch, which can make or break consoles as we know. Brand is very important, in some parts of Europe "playstation" is a general term for a gaming console for instance. For those in the know, power is also part of of the perception and expectations of how the coming games will perform. It may be demonstrable that the cheaper console seems to be the winner usually, but that's more incidental than a direct correlation.



konkari said:

If you look at the HW sales between XB, PS and Switch, the notable issue for XB is North America sales. In the past, XB was on par or better than PS in NA, but now it is trailing much behind Switch and PS, which suggests that XB audience is moving to PC and Switch.  Europe has been traditionally PS territory, amd continues to be so, while Nintendo is dominating Japan (handheld market). 

If XB sales continues to decline like this, I wonder if Scarlett can resurrect the console business. After all the problem is not the HW, since XB1X is the most powerful console already.

Well, if the history of the console business tells us anything, it's that comebacks are possible. Nintendo has twice bounced back from a failed console to a wildly successful one.



@curl-6
Well both times Nintendo did so, they offered something the competition did not. Motion control with the switch and hybrid switch. Not to mention the huge nintendo library.

Scarlet on the other hand sounds like a carbon copy of the ps5 but without the ps library. If both ps5 and scarlet end up to similar again like ps4 and x1, then people will default to PlayStation cuz they have a prooven track record and MS is known for abandoning consoles mid gen.



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.

Unfortunately still no HW numbers, and even worse very big dip on the revenue. But well next gen is coming so it isn't unexpected.



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