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Upgraded Switch model announced: Same price, battery life of 4.5 to 9 hours - Launches in August (Americas, Japan) and September (Others)

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p0isonparadise said:
I see some of you still don't understand what makes a Nintendo console successful. Hilarious.

The earliest Switch 2 will release in my opinion is holiday 2023, preferably March 2024.

Historically speaking, less 3rd party support equates to less sales for Nintendo consoles.  Look at N64, GC, and WiiU for proof.  Each one had less support than the last, and each had less sales than the last.  The only exception to that rule is the Wii.

It would seem that some people do not understand that while 1st party games are the main reason people choose Nintendo, and even get away with less support than the competition, having 3rd party support to some extent is still important for the success of the device.



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Oh, this is tempting. And the new Joy-Con colors as well. My Switch is perfectly fine as it is but better battery life would entice me to bring it with me more often. Maybe 64GB of internal storage, Nintendo?

On a less personal level it is great to see that Nintendo is continually trying to evolve the platform. It irked me back in the Wii days that they never updated the console (well, they gimped it in later revisions but that's not what I mean). Regular hardware updates are a great way to keep consumer interest high.

Now all they need to announce is a new Gameboy as the Switch is definitely still overshooting some of the market, even with the Lite model. But that's another topic.



Oh, this is tempting indeed . Nintendo may get a buy from me if they bring a special launch model.



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Shiken said:
p0isonparadise said:
I see some of you still don't understand what makes a Nintendo console successful. Hilarious.

The earliest Switch 2 will release in my opinion is holiday 2023, preferably March 2024.

Historically speaking, less 3rd party support equates to less sales for Nintendo consoles.  Look at N64, GC, and WiiU for proof.  Each one had less support than the last, and each had less sales than the last.  The only exception to that rule is the Wii.

It would seem that some people do not understand that while 1st party games are the main reason people choose Nintendo, and even get away with less support than the competition, having 3rd party support to some extent is still important for the success of the device.

You need to examine the date properly, and that means that you have to include all Nintendo consoles. Then you'll realize that the Wii isn't the only exception.

Nowadays the AAA third party support is heavily dominated by American and European publishers. Successful Nintendo consoles without the support of those publishers: NES, GB/C, SNES, GBA, DS, Wii, 3DS, Switch. Unsuccessful Nintendo consoles: N64, GC, Wii U. Given that it's 8 vs. 3, you should question the premise you have.

Furthermore, since its launch the Switch has received only a single digit percentage of the AAA third party games released since March 2017. Switch has sold very well regardless. The fear/hope that Switch will be in trouble once that single digit percentage drops to a smaller single digit percentage is irrational.



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Louie said:
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Now all they need to announce is a new Gameboy as the Switch is definitely still overshooting some of the market, even with the Lite model. But that's another topic.

The portable console market is filled with the tombstones of many companies, including Sony's. It's doubtful that anyone will give it a shot after PlayStation couldn't do it. So while there will be an unfilled gap in the portable console market in 2020, there won't be anyone to take advantage of that.

Also, $199 for a portable console isn't as daunting as it once was, because inflation is a thing. A $149 Switch in 2021 can take care of business.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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RolStoppable said:
Shiken said:

Historically speaking, less 3rd party support equates to less sales for Nintendo consoles.  Look at N64, GC, and WiiU for proof.  Each one had less support than the last, and each had less sales than the last.  The only exception to that rule is the Wii.

It would seem that some people do not understand that while 1st party games are the main reason people choose Nintendo, and even get away with less support than the competition, having 3rd party support to some extent is still important for the success of the device.

You need to examine the date properly, and that means that you have to include all Nintendo consoles. Then you'll realize that the Wii isn't the only exception.

Nowadays the AAA third party support is heavily dominated by American and European publishers. Successful Nintendo consoles without the support of those publishers: NES, GB/C, SNES, GBA, DS, Wii, 3DS, Switch. Unsuccessful Nintendo consoles: N64, GC, Wii U. Given that it's 8 vs. 3, you should question the premise you have.

Furthermore, since its launch the Switch has received only a single digit percentage of the AAA third party games released since March 2017. Switch has sold very well regardless. The fear/hope that Switch will be in trouble once that single digit percentage drops to a smaller single digit percentage is irrational.

You see the problem here is that you are cherry picking what facts you want to use for this topic.

Acting like the NES and SNES did not need western 3rd party because most 3rd party devs were from Japan does not exactly qualify as a quality argument.  The fact is, the NES and SNES had the majority of 3rd party support as a whole, which is the real factor.

Also we are not talking about the handheld market, so to throw those in there just to pad the numbers is also not a good way to look at things.  All that does is enable people who try to say, "Switch is only a handheld that connects to the TV, and therefore sales should not be compared to PS or XB."  The fact is that the Switch is a hybrid home console with portable functionality, as that is what it is advertised and sold as.  Furthermore their handhelds have had adequate 3rd party support as a whole, cherry picking western devs is just a way to make it look like they had less than what they did.

So unless you are ready to jump on the bandwagon of either "Nintendo dropped out of consoles" or "with the Switch Lite making the Switch a portable only device, a next gen home console from Nintendo is right around the corner", I suggest you re-evaluate your the data you are briging to the table.



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This is nice for people buying their first Switch. But, I can't imagine why anyone would upgrade just for battery life. For $20, I can buy a portable power pack to get another full charge, then spend the other $280 on energy drinks and games.



Shiken said:

You see the problem here is that you are cherry picking what facts you want to use for this topic.

Acting like the NES and SNES did not need western 3rd party because most 3rd party devs were from Japan does not exactly qualify as a quality argument.  The fact is, the NES and SNES had the majority of 3rd party support as a whole, which is the real factor.

Also we are not talking about the handheld market, so to throw those in there just to pad the numbers is also not a good way to look at things.  All that does is enable people who try to say, "Switch is only a handheld that connects to the TV, and therefore sales should not be compared to PS or XB."  The fact is that the Switch is a hybrid home console with portable functionality, as that is what it is advertised and sold as.  Furthermore their handhelds have had adequate 3rd party support as a whole, cherry picking western devs is just a way to make it look like they had less than what they did.

So unless you are ready to jump on the bandwagon of either "Nintendo dropped out of consoles" or "with the Switch Lite making the Switch a portable only device, a next gen home console from Nintendo is right around the corner", I suggest you re-evaluate your the data you are briging to the table.

Uh-huh...

Switch is a hybrid because it functions as both a home console and a handheld console. This also means that the software pipelines of Nintendo home consoles and handhelds have been united, so it's only logical to look at the entire history of both Nintendo home consoles and handhelds.

If you are ready to concede that Nintendo handhelds have always had adequate third party support, then it should be obvious that Switch will be fine regardless of what the AAA third party publishers intend to do in the coming years. The biggest advantage that Switch has over Nintendo handhelds is that it has Nintendo's full attention, something that hasn't been the case since the NES.

When someone raises the question if Nintendo can succeed in the absence of AAA third party support, specifically what said support is known as today, then it only makes sense to point out that every successful Nintendo console in history has succeeded without said support.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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If it's so efficient, I wonder if Nintendo went with passive cooling this time.



cool I will likely get this for myself and give my daughter my current switch