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Shiken said:
There will be no Switch Pro. We may see a model with a 1080p screen and a slightly higher clock speed, but it will not even be advertised as a mid gen refresh.

What I predict is a full blow Switch 2 in 2022 (5 year cycle) that is fully BC with the current models, as that is the only thing that makes sense to me at this point. Given the jump to next gen for Nintendo's competition, anything less than a full generational leap will be viewed as "not enough" by the media and picked apart for "only being 1080p" and only serve to either draw out the life of Switch 1 or be viewed as screwing over people who bought a "Pro" for releasing a new device soon after.

There is another possibility however...one that is possible...but also caused someone to accuse me of drinking on a wendsday...

The Switch Lite might be a way for Nintendo to phase out the hybrid nature of the device with next gen consoles, and make it a full on 3DS successor with a head start in install base. Then early next year (or the game awards), reveal that the rumored Switch Pro is actually a new dedicated home console set to release in 2020 or 2021, making it completely different from the Switch altogether, but possibly have BC with performance upgrades to Switch games alongside the games that will be just for that console. This would allow Nintendo to have an existing library similar to how Sony and MS will have with their own BC.

Just a thought...

I pondered this but figured there's no way they could attempt it. It would literally be a form of bait and switch. That would be trolling on another level.

To abandon the hybrid nature of Switch would cause too much of an uproar and backlash. Best to keep a handheld, hybrid, and home model available. That way they also cover a much wider spread of consumers.

Either that or have a Pro model Switch that's thicker and heavier that's worth $100 more in terms of performance, yet retains the hybrid features. Third party games would run better on this model and be more acceptable, making the premium cost worth it. This model would basically land between the Switch hybrid and what a Switch home console would be, in terms of performance, and would mean no dedicated Switch home console, even though the point of it would be to sit in the dock the majority of the time.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 10 July 2019

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For those who debated heavily that Nintendo wouldn't or couldn't make Switch devices that were dedicated to certain play-styles, I.E. Handheld or Fixed console... Read it and weep. :P

Still keen for that Switch TV though to be honest, will be a day 1 purchase for me.
..Also keen to see the chip details as well to know what is really ticking under the hood to give a 30% battery life increase and if it offers an increase in performance.

This device should be a big hit with parents buying for kids though as it hits lower price points, should make the replacement of the 3DS allot easier which is a good thing.



Shiken said:
gergroy said:

Why the hell would it have to be 4K to have any relevance?  My switch games look great on my 4K tv... not sure why that is necessary.  Believe it or not, there are many people that would prefer to play their games on their tv’s instead of a tiny 4 inch screen.  

The reason why Nintendo shouldn’t release a new dedicated console separate from the switch is it would divide their software efforts.  Nintendo is much better off releasing their games so that they are compatible with all their devices.

Because anything less than 4K for a non portable gaming device in today's day and age would get torn apart from the media.  Of course this will not matter to true fans, but true fans make up the minority of overall sales for any gaming device.

Think about it, what has everyone's defense been for the power level of the Switch...portability (which is worth it TBH).  Take that away and there would no longer be any excuse for it.  Haters would have a field day and the media would put a negative spin on it for the general public, especially with the PS5 and Scarlett right around the corner.

This is some extreme hyperbole, only a vocal minority would care about the lack of 4K. This is the equivalent of saying Wii couldnt succeed because it was sub-HD when PS3/360 were HD consoles.

A $199 1080p micro-console version of Switch would do fine against the $399-499 PS5/Scarlett as they will not be in direct competition with one another.



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EricHiggin said:
Shiken said:
There will be no Switch Pro. We may see a model with a 1080p screen and a slightly higher clock speed, but it will not even be advertised as a mid gen refresh.

What I predict is a full blow Switch 2 in 2022 (5 year cycle) that is fully BC with the current models, as that is the only thing that makes sense to me at this point. Given thea jump to next gen for Nintendo's competition, anything less than a full generational leap will be viewed as "not enough" by the media and picked apart for "only being 1080p" and only serve to either draw out the life of Switch 1 or be viewed as screwing over people who bought a "Pro" for releasing a new device soon after.

There is another possibility however...one that is possible...but also caused someone to accuse me of drinking on a wendsday...

The Switch Lite might be a way for Nintendo to phase out the hybrid nature of the device with next gen consoles, and make it a full on 3DS successor with a head start in install base. Then early next year (or the game awards), reveal that the rumored Switch Pro is actually a new dedicated home console set to release in 2020 or 2021, making it completely different from the Switch altogether, but possibly have BC with performance upgrades to Switch games alongside the games that will be just for that console. This would allow Nintendo to have an existing library similar to how Sony and MS will have with their own BC.

Just a thought...

I pondered this but figured there's no way they could attempt it. It would literally be a form of bait and switch. That would be trolling on another level.

To abandon the hybrid nature of Switch would cause too much of an uproar and backlash. Best to keep a handheld, hybrid, and home model available. That way they also cover a much wider spread of consumers.

Either that or have a Pro model Switch that's thicker and heavier that's worth $100 more in terms of performance, yet retains the hybrid features. Third party games would run better on this model and be more acceptable, making the premium cost worth it. This model would basically land between the Switch hybrid and what a Switch home console would be, in terms of performance, and would mean no dedicated Switch home console, even though the point of it would be to sit in the dock the majority of the time.

It is for that reason I see a Switch 2 with a 5 year cycle much more likely than a new home console.  A Switch TV box would be pointless for reasons I have stated already in a response to someone else IMO and make even less sense overall.  I feel 2022 would be the sweet spot for a Switch 2, as that should be about the time cross gen ports start to die down for the other consoles and the need for a new Switch would be at its peak to retain the hybrid benefits in regards to possible 3rd party games.  Throw in the fact that Nintendo tends to follow a 5 year cycle MOST of the time, and it seems like a pretty safe bet.



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Shiken said:
EricHiggin said:

I pondered this but figured there's no way they could attempt it. It would literally be a form of bait and switch. That would be trolling on another level.

To abandon the hybrid nature of Switch would cause too much of an uproar and backlash. Best to keep a handheld, hybrid, and home model available. That way they also cover a much wider spread of consumers.

Either that or have a Pro model Switch that's thicker and heavier that's worth $100 more in terms of performance, yet retains the hybrid features. Third party games would run better on this model and be more acceptable, making the premium cost worth it. This model would basically land between the Switch hybrid and what a Switch home console would be, in terms of performance, and would mean no dedicated Switch home console, even though the point of it would be to sit in the dock the majority of the time.

It is for that reason I see a Switch 2 with a 5 year cycle much more likely than a new home console.  A Switch TV box would be pointless for reasons I have stated already in a response to someone else IMO and make even less sense overall.  I feel 2022 would be the sweet spot for a Switch 2, as that should be about the time cross gen ports start to die down for the other consoles and the need for a new Switch would be at its peak to retain the hybrid benefits in regards to possible 3rd party games.  Throw in the fact that Nintendo tends to follow a 5 year cycle MOST of the time, and it seems like a pretty safe bet.

While the home console would lose the portability factor, it would make up for it in terms of performance, and could do so at the same price at the end of the day. No need for joy-cons, battery, screen, etc, and can be replaced with better performing hardware instead. The point to buy the console would be that it would play games at XB1S/PS4 levels of performance. While it would then be up to a $100 premium over those consoles, the Switch already sells for the same price and in terms of performance, doesn't come close to them. For the Nin spec heads who want the best visuals period, that model would be for them. It likely would be the lowest selling model for Nin, and may only move 15-20 millions units, but it may very well be worth it to get more gamers into the Switch ecosystem. Would a more powerful home console bring in more gamers, or would a less powerful, hybrid Pro model, that was a step up from Switch be more effective? Assuming a similar if not identical price. Hard to say.



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I believe that the switch pro at the current market price level of US$299 would include possibilty tegra x2, hdr monitor, bluetooth audio, just like dsi and dsi xl and 3ds xl and 2ds xl



also noted that a lot of original switch owners from 2017 if they play often, consider around 3 hours play time, need a new battery after 700 charges as lithium ion batteries capicity would be reduced by 60% after 2 years to 3 years if they play regular a few hours a day



Shiken said:
gergroy said:

Why the hell would it have to be 4K to have any relevance?  My switch games look great on my 4K tv... not sure why that is necessary.  Believe it or not, there are many people that would prefer to play their games on their tv’s instead of a tiny 4 inch screen.  

The reason why Nintendo shouldn’t release a new dedicated console separate from the switch is it would divide their software efforts.  Nintendo is much better off releasing their games so that they are compatible with all their devices.

Because anything less than 4K for a non portable gaming device in today's day and age would get torn apart from the media.  Of course this will not matter to true fans, but true fans make up the minority of overall sales for any gaming device.

Think about it, what has everyone's defense been for the power level of the Switch...portability (which is worth it TBH).  Take that away and there would no longer be any excuse for it.  Haters would have a field day and the media would put a negative spin on it for the general public, especially with the PS5 and Scarlett right around the corner.

So that leaves one question, would it be worth the investment just to satisfy true fans.  In all fairness probably not.  The WiiU was arguably purchased mainly by true fans, and we see how that turned out.  Also factor in the fact that a good number of true Nintendo fans are satisfied with the base Switch and would see a jump to just full 1080p with no portability as not worth the money to upgrade (I have no reason for a Lite for example, so I will not be getting one unless it is a Zelda collector edition).  With that in mind, the boost in sales would be negligible on that front.  I mean, you said it yourself.  Your Switch games look fine on your 4K TV, so what kind of advantage would a 1080p box truly have?

Much like how Switch haters like to look at their own desires to discredit the device as a whole, I feel like you are only looking at what you would be ok with and assuming everyone else should be on board.  There are so many factors that go into a decision like this however, that it will never be that simple from a business perspective.

Also let me be clear, my money is on a Switch 2 in 2022 rather than another dedicated TV box for next gen for the reasons you mentioned regarding developing for one platform.  I am just simply stating and explaining why a next gen dedicated console with a huge leap would make more sense than a dedicated Switch TV box that would barely generate a fraction of the hype that the Lite or Hybrid models have.

You are trying to look at it like a primary console Nintendo is supporting.  The original switch is obviously Nintendo’s primary console.  The switch lite and my guess at a switch home would be side or support consoles.  They would be designed to give users a limited version of the main console at cheaper price.  You only care about the portable, get the lite.  You only care about playing on your tv, get the home (or whatever it would be called).  The media would not savage it anymore then they attack the switch, because it would still technically be the switch, just with some features taken out to cut the price.  



If it does happen, I could see a Switch Pro releasing late next year to launch alongside the PS5/Scarlett or early 2021 after the holiday hype for them has worn down. And depending on where BOTW 2 is in its development, it could serve as the ideal hame to release alongside a Switch Pro.



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It's pretty darn obvious the upgraded Switch wouldn't be on the same scale as the Pro/XboneX simply because Nintendo ain't chasing the power crowd ...

At best, we'll get something similar to what we got with New3DS model and this'll be fine to make simple resolution upgrade and tarnish some frame buffering in certain games.

It'd be fair to see them bundle joy-cons with a d-pad too !



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