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psychicscubadiver said:
potato_hamster said:

I came up with several reasons why, you just don't like them.

And, what is my agenda?

Dude... your reason is literally 'I don't think hybrid consoles exist outside of market speak'.

... nope. I just can't imagine what a legitimately hybrid console would look like, or what its feature set would be. I'd have to put a lot of thought into that. But to reiterate, if Nintendo's definition of "hybrid console" is good enough for you, then go for it.



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potato_hamster said:
psychicscubadiver said:

Dude... your reason is literally 'I don't think hybrid consoles exist outside of market speak'.

... nope. I just can't imagine what a legitimately hybrid console would look like, or what its feature set would be. I'd have to put a lot of thought into that. But to reiterate, if Nintendo's definition of "hybrid console" is good enough for you, then go for it.

A failure of your imagination doesn't change reality. That's like saying 'hybrid cars don't exist. They're just regular cars that have their batteries do extra functions and anyone that claims otherwise is just falling for the marketing.'



psychicscubadiver said:
potato_hamster said:

... nope. I just can't imagine what a legitimately hybrid console would look like, or what its feature set would be. I'd have to put a lot of thought into that. But to reiterate, if Nintendo's definition of "hybrid console" is good enough for you, then go for it.

A failure of your imagination doesn't change reality. That's like saying 'hybrid cars don't exist. They're just regular cars that have their batteries do extra functions and anyone that claims otherwise is just falling for the marketing.'

This exactly.



psychicscubadiver said:
potato_hamster said:

... nope. I just can't imagine what a legitimately hybrid console would look like, or what its feature set would be. I'd have to put a lot of thought into that. But to reiterate, if Nintendo's definition of "hybrid console" is good enough for you, then go for it.

A failure of your imagination doesn't change reality. That's like saying 'hybrid cars don't exist. They're just regular cars that have their batteries do extra functions and anyone that claims otherwise is just falling for the marketing.'

Holy false equivalency, Batman! It's not like saying that at all. A hybrid car, is very well defined and very well established technology. Someone can glance at the hardware list of any hybrid car and identify it as being a hybrid. Try and define what hardware features define a console to be "a hybrid console" such that the vast majority of people would agree with it, and such that only the Switch qualifies. Seriously. Not what is shipped in the box, not the features of the games it plays, just the functionality of the hardware. Just try to do it.

Here, let's try this thought experiment. Is the Toyota Camry a hybrid car? Should Toyota count every Toyota Camry sold as a "hybrid car sale"? If Toyota came out with an all-electric Prius, should its sales also be lumped in with "hybrid car sales"? For what it's worth the term "cross over" is also marketing term that has very little meaning.

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potato_hamster said:

not the features of the games it plays, just the functionality of the hardware. Just try to do it.

Discounting software and it's functionality in defining a product is a mistake. If a console has zero games it is not a console, the only thing that makes a console a console is the features of the software on it. Software and it's functionality is important in defining a device.

Purpose behind the creation of something is also part of defining something. What makes a Kitchen Knife a utensil and not a weapon? What it was created to be used for.



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This was suspected since before release of switch, now we are just pending on the desk only version.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Barkley said:
potato_hamster said:

not the features of the games it plays, just the functionality of the hardware. Just try to do it.

Discounting software and it's functionality in defining a product is a mistake. If a console has zero games it is not a console, the only thing that makes a console a console is the features of the software on it. Software and it's functionality is important in defining a device.

Purpose behind the creation of something is also part of defining something. What makes a Kitchen Knife a utensil and not a weapon? What it was created to be used for.

If a console has a hardware feature and no games take advantage of that feature, does it count as a hardware feature? For example, the Sega Genesis controller had one terrible shoulder "Mode" button that no game to my knowledge ever used. Is someone incorrect if they say that the Sega Genesis did not feature a controller with a shoulder button?

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potato_hamster said:
Barkley said:

Discounting software and it's functionality in defining a product is a mistake. If a console has zero games it is not a console, the only thing that makes a console a console is the features of the software on it. Software and it's functionality is important in defining a device.

Purpose behind the creation of something is also part of defining something. What makes a Kitchen Knife a utensil and not a weapon? What it was created to be used for.

If a console has a hardware feature and no games take advantage of that feature, does it count as a hardware feature? For example, the Sega Genesis controller had one terrible shoulder "Mode" button that no game to my knowledge ever used. Is someone incorrect if they say that the Sega Genesis did not feature a controller with a shoulder button?

Your post makes no sense, the shoulder button is a physical reality, it's objectively real.

Meanwhile a device that has a cpu/gpu and ram but can't play games is objectively not a video game console.

Having the same hardware internally of a console doesn't make it a console. If it is capable of nothing other than playing video and music it is a media player. Thus hardware on it's own is not enough to define what a device is. You must take into account what it CAN be used for, which includes software, and what it was designed and created for.



Predictions (Made July 2019)

LTD: PS4 - 130m, Switch - 110m, XBO - 52m       2019 : PS4 - 15m, Switch - 18.8m, XBO - 4.8m        2020: Switch - 22m (Peak Year)

What baffles me is that they are using 20nm chips when PS5 and X4 will be soon release on 7nm. Well even PS4 and X1 which released earlier and aren't portable gone for less consumption on it.
Plus compatibility needing extra controlers is a bummer.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Barkley said:
potato_hamster said:

If a console has a hardware feature and no games take advantage of that feature, does it count as a hardware feature? For example, the Sega Genesis controller had one terrible shoulder "Mode" button that no game to my knowledge ever used. Is someone incorrect if they say that the Sega Genesis did not feature a controller with a shoulder button?

Your post makes no sense, the shoulder button is a physical reality, it's objectively real.

Meanwhile a device that has a cpu/gpu and ram but can't play games is objectively not a video game console.

Having the same hardware internally of a console doesn't make it a console. If it is capable of nothing other than playing video and music it is a media player. Thus hardware on it's own is not enough to define what a device is. You must take into account what it CAN be used for, which includes software, and what it was designed and created for.

I think you're taking me a bit too literal, and I think we're saying the same thing. It doesn't matter if no sega genesis game did use the shoulder button as an input, it remains that it could. The potential is there, that's what matters.

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