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Nintendo Switch Lite Officially Revealed - $199, September 20th, Dedicated Handheld

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Barkley said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

The Switch Lite can connect to normal Joy-Cons.

This is what it says about Game Compatibility: 

"Nintendo Switch Lite can play the games in the Nintendo Switch library that support handheld mode.

For games that do not support handheld mode, players can wirelessly connect compatible controllers (sold separately) to Nintendo Switch Lite.

Just look for the “handheld mode” icon:"

So... it does support tabletop... why do they say it doesn't then contradict themselves underneath. xD

I am baffled why it doesn't support dock then, I mean I know physically it might not fit but they could always release an adapter or new dock or something, my best guess now is that the cooling isn't good enough to run the clocks inside high enough for docked. Removing dock functionality shouldn't reduce production costs at all.

I'm guessing they mean that it can't support tabletop by default, and that you just have to have a separate controller to use tabletop mode. Awkward way of stating it though.

I theorize that it actually CAN support "docked" mode too and that they just don't have any plans to release a physically compatible dock station, but if somebody modified their existing dock for it, or tried using a third-party dock, that it might still work. 



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thetonestarr said:

I theorize that it actually CAN support "docked" mode too and that they just don't have any plans to release a physically compatible dock station, but if somebody modified their existing dock for it, or tried using a third-party dock, that it might still work. 

Yeah I think hardware inside is compatible, but I'm sure the firmware will check if it's a lite model and not use dock if it is. Especially if their are thermal issues with running it at the higher docked clocks.



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I suspect they're going to start to phase out the main Switch now and replace it next year with an improved model.

Improved one will probably remain at $300 while the Lite takes a modest price cut. $20 to $50 off. $180 seems like a good price point, but like not enough of a cut, while $150 seems like slightly too big a cut, so I'm going to split the difference and estimate $160 to $170 (maybe even right in the middle at $164.99) post-New Switch release.



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Barkley said:
archbrix said:

It's a shame that it's undockable because if it were, I'd replace my current switch with this as my main system in a second. I'm sure it's because the Switch Lite is not meant to run at a higher performance and does not have a fan, but not being able to play it on the TV is a problem for me. I don't take my Switch with me anywhere but I do play a lot around the house, and I'm tempted to get one just for that. Looks like a great handheld with *gasp* an actual D-pad!

Pretty sure it does have a fan:

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But yeah not as good cooling is the only reason I can think of for it not being compatible. Don't see any other reason to not support a dock, it is a shame. I mean it probably can't physically fit into the current dock, but they could always release another dock or an adapter/cable for the current docks. Dropping support for video output isn't going to reduce production costs.

Marketing and maximizing profits are reasons to not support a dock. While in the past I had proposed a handheld-first Switch with optional dock purchase, it's an idea that is not as easy to market and comes with the problem of allocating shelf space to a new dock because the different size of the new SKU necessitates its own dock. There's also the issue of potentially devaluing the standard SKU, but the plan is to offer both models side by side and have both of them sell as well as possible.

While Nintendo does have an error on their website as far as confusion about Joy-Con compatibility is concerned, it's overall easier to market handheld-only than handheld-first despite the console's name. Switch Lite is a Switch that can't switch, but in the end the market is probably not going to care about that too much, because the feature to switch isn't necessarily mandatory in any given purchase decision and will probably be completely irrelevant in many cases.



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Barkley said:
potato_hamster said:

By your logic the PSP Go was a hybrid console, the only difference being that the dock that allowed you to play on a tv with separate controllers was an optional accessory. And if that's a stopping point for you, you also can't play 4 player split screen without buying optional accessories on your Switch.

Just watch. By the time the last Switch is sold, most Nintendo Switches sold will not be able to be docked to a TV, and will not be able to be used as a home console in any way. That doesn't sound like a very "hybrid" console to me even if you're as generous with the idea of a "hybrid console" as you are.

"generous with the idea of a hybrid console". Please tell me what makes the Switch not a hybrid console, what would it need to have to be a hybrid console?

Were any games for the PSP Go designed with TV play in mind? Were many games on the PSP Go playable in splitscreen? Did any games on the PSP Go gain graphical enhancements when played on a TV? Did the PSP Go come bundled with wireless controllers that could be used on a TV? These are the reasons Switch is better described as a hybrid than PSP Go.

"Just watch. By the time the last Switch is sold, most Nintendo Switches sold will not be able to be docked to a TV" - Yeah sure lol.

"Nintendo Senior Vice President for Sales and Marketing Doug Bowser (yes, really) said the play time split between docked and undocked play on the Switch is "about even—about 50 percent in the dock and 50 percent away from the dock." The latter time chunk includes both tabletop play and fully handheld play". 

The switch isn't a hybrid console because it's a handheld that shipped a dock in the box, which makes the difference between it and other handhelds pretty minuscule. What would it need to be a "hybrid console"? I'm not sure. I don't think the concept of a hybrid console actually exists outside of marketing speak. I wouldn't call a PS4 that shipped with a mini LCD screen and battery attachment a "hybrid console" either for what that's worth, nor would I call the PS4 a hybrid console if Sony released a handheld version that could be docked to a tv. It's very clear what the Switches primary design focus is, and it's not for TV mode.

Why are you now talking about games? You're shifting the goalposts. Your definition of a hybrid before literally had nothing to do with the games that were created for it, just the capabilities of the hardware. If we're going to talk about defining a hybrid console by the games that are made for it, then the definition is already horrifically flimsy. Assuming that no games were made to take advantage of those features, that doesn't change the fact that those features exist. And I already talked about how silly it is to discuss what's included in the initial console purchase to define a console's "hybridness".


That's a old quote from President Bowser, and was made before several of the Switch's handheld game franchises appeared on the Switch. I'd be interested to find out what the stats are today, or what the stats will be six months from now. Perhaps the introduction of the Switch Lite itself says that the play time has shifted dramatically towards handheld mode. Either way, those stats will change when they release a console that doesn't support tv mode at all.

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I'd pick one up if it released in July or August but there are already too many games coming out in September or later that I wanna play.

I'm genuinely surprised at how many people to fail to understand that that 'Switch' is a brand name and not necessarily a descriptor.



Barkley said:
thetonestarr said:

I theorize that it actually CAN support "docked" mode too and that they just don't have any plans to release a physically compatible dock station, but if somebody modified their existing dock for it, or tried using a third-party dock, that it might still work. 

Yeah I think hardware inside is compatible, but I'm sure the firmware will check if it's a lite model and not use dock if it is. Especially if their are thermal issues with running it at the higher docked clocks.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they removed the ability to operate in "TV mode" considering they would have to design the Switch Lite to handle the additional power draw and dissipate the additional heat that operating mode would generate. The Switch Lite might not be capable of operating safely in "TV mode". Designing it in such a way would definitely save on costs.



potato_hamster said:

The switch isn't a hybrid console because it's a handheld that shipped a dock in the box, which makes the difference between it and other handhelds pretty minuscule. What would it need to be a "hybrid console"? I'm not sure. I don't think the concept of a hybrid console actually exists outside of marketing speak.

So you can't come up with a single reason that the Switch isn't a valid home console, your only point is that it can do something extra that home consoles can't.

Your argument then is you don't think hybrid consoles can exist, you should have led with that. Meanwhile I shall ignore you and your agenda.



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So...now it's as ugly as expected officially



NathanSSSS said:
So...now it's as ugly as expected officially

You, sir, are mistaken. Most especially about the Pokemon edition.



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