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RolStoppable said:
NightlyPoe said:

Your article does not contain the evidence that was asked for.

Admittedly, I only skimmed it. But Trump's quotes are there, so what's the problem?

The article acknowledges that Trump explicitly condemned the far-right and racists that were there.

The article takes issue with Trump's contention that some of the protesters in favor of the Lee statue were not in that category saying that those people were imagined by Trump.



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EricHiggin said:

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NightlyPoe said:
RolStoppable said:

Admittedly, I only skimmed it. But Trump's quotes are there, so what's the problem?

The article acknowledges that Trump explicitly condemned the far-right and racists that were there.

The article takes issue with Trump's contention that some of the protesters in favor of the Lee statue were not in that category saying that those people were imagined by Trump.

Do you have evidence that those people weren't imagined by Trump?



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RolStoppable said:
DonFerrari said:

So trump is a whole movement by himself? Want to see some left wing supporting BLM?

You said "left wing and movements", so individual persons weren't excluded from your statement.

But sure, show me what you have.

Very well know Marcelo Freixo from PSOL in Brazil that used to support Black Blocks.

https://veja.abril.com.br/blog/felipe-moura-brasil/a-moral-8220-black-bloc-8221-do-psol-marcelo-freixo-e-seus-partidarios-antes-e-depois-da-morte-de-santiago/

On this single group you would see support from several different left wing parties.

And my point was that it would be more likely to find left wing supporting BLM and Antifa than right wing supporting KKK and whatnot. You saying Trump gave support on one situation doesn't disprove that.

For instance, we had a lot of people in this thread supporting the actions of Antifa, you included, but haven't seem a single support for KKK at all.



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RolStoppable said:
NightlyPoe said:

The article acknowledges that Trump explicitly condemned the far-right and racists that were there.

The article takes issue with Trump's contention that some of the protesters in favor of the Lee statue were not in that category saying that those people were imagined by Trump.

Do you have evidence that those people weren't imagined by Trump?

Can't say I do.  However, their existence is irrelevant to your claim that Trump "stuck up" for the far right.

Trump's sins in regards to Charlottesville fall along a different, lesser, track.  Same sin you've been committing all thread really.  Trying to blame the victims.



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NightlyPoe said:
RolStoppable said:

Do you have evidence that those people weren't imagined by Trump?

Can't say I do.  However, their existence is irrelevant to your claim that Trump "stuck up" for the far right.

Trump's sins in regards to Charlottesville fall along a different, lesser, track.  Same sin you've been committing all thread really.  Trying to blame the victims.

Throughout this thread you haven't been consistent in regards to the convictions you claim to have, such as the topic of journalistic integrity and the lack thereof, or who the bad guys are in the USA.

However, you've been consistent in abandoning said convictions when it came to coming to the defense of the people on the right side of the political spectrum. In this most recent example, you say that evidence is irrelevant shortly after demanding evidence yourself.

It's all very convenient, but I don't think anyone buys into what you are trying to sell.



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RolStoppable said:

Throughout this thread you haven't been consistent in regards to the convictions you claim to have, such as the topic of journalistic integrity and the lack thereof, or who the bad guys are in the USA.

However, you've been consistent in abandoning said convictions when it came to coming to the defense of the people on the right side of the political spectrum. In this most recent example, you say that evidence is irrelevant shortly after demanding evidence yourself.

It's all very convenient, but I don't think anyone buys into what you are trying to sell.

I said that the existence of the people was irrelevant.  No evidence is needed either way.  Your initial claim was not about whether Trump's statement about Charlottesville was accurate.  It was about whether he "stuck up" for the far-right people who were there.  When auditing the accuracy of your claim, Trump explicitly condemned them.  Therefore, you should retract your statement.

And, as you can see, I didn't let Trump off the hook.  I just cleared him of the specific charge you levied against him.

Furthermore, I didn't ask you for evidence.  That was someone else.

As for my consistency, I've been perfectly consistent.  I know you know that as well as you've gone back and read my posts looking for stuff to nail me on and haven't come up with anything other than just saying I'm inconsistent because I didn't join you inaccurate take on a subject.



Some more context is needed. Andy Ngo a gay, asian and moderately conservative journalist (that combination makes him the embodiment of evil in liberal eyes). He doxxed a member of Antifa once and for the far left, that justified beating him to the point of brain damage.

Thankfully the left has suicided with this attack and forced mainstream journalists to cover the violence of antifa. Antifa is no longer just a far-left group of protesters, but a group of terrorists as the government already widely considers them. Andy Ngo has forced news stations and social media to start taking action against these groups and has done enormous damage to the left.

As always, violent protests don't help, they only hurt your cause. The one good thing to come out of this is that Andy Ngo and his story has become a household name. His story and his cause has been spread far and wide.



DarkD said:
Some more context is needed.Andy Ngo a gay, asian and moderately conservative journalist (that combination makes him the embodiment of evil in liberal eyes).  He doxxed a member of Antifa once and for the far left, that justified beating him to the point of brain damage.

Thankfully the left has suicided with this attack and forced mainstream journalists to cover the violence of antifa. Antifa is no longer just a far-left group of protesters, but a group of terrorists as the government already widely considers them. Andy Ngo has forced news stations and social media to start taking action against these groups and has done enormous damage to the left.

As always, violent protests don't help, they only hurt your cause. The one good thing to come out of this is that Andy Ngo and his story has become a household name. His story and his cause has been spread far and wide.

Please refrain from making gross generalizations of the entire queer community, my community. We're as diverse as the rainbow and have many opinions and political perspectives. I have quite a few queer conservative friends irl and they're not the "embodiment of evil" as you put it. Pushing the narrative that all of their fellow queer liberal friends view them that way is not only an untrue harmful generalization, it's toxic to them and the entire LGBTQIA+ community as a whole.

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NightlyPoe said:
RolStoppable said:

Throughout this thread you haven't been consistent in regards to the convictions you claim to have, such as the topic of journalistic integrity and the lack thereof, or who the bad guys are in the USA.

However, you've been consistent in abandoning said convictions when it came to coming to the defense of the people on the right side of the political spectrum. In this most recent example, you say that evidence is irrelevant shortly after demanding evidence yourself.

It's all very convenient, but I don't think anyone buys into what you are trying to sell.

I said that the existence of the people was irrelevant.  No evidence is needed either way.  Your initial claim was not about whether Trump's statement about Charlottesville was accurate.  It was about whether he "stuck up" for the far-right people who were there.  When auditing the accuracy of your claim, Trump explicitly condemned them.  Therefore, you should retract your statement.

And, as you can see, I didn't let Trump off the hook.  I just cleared him of the specific charge you levied against him.

Furthermore, I didn't ask you for evidence.  That was someone else.

As for my consistency, I've been perfectly consistent.  I know you know that as well as you've gone back and read my posts looking for stuff to nail me on and haven't come up with anything other than just saying I'm inconsistent because I didn't join you inaccurate take on a subject.

Trump isn't cleared of anything because he condemned and defended the far-right at the same time which puts the sincerity of his condemnation into strong doubt. He refered to a group of neo-nazis/white supremacists as "very fine people" and was overall inclined to put the protesters and counter-protesters of Charlottesville on an equal level. That's sticking up for the right, because the protesters and counter-protesters were not equal. The existence of people other than neo-nazis/white supremacists is crucial, because without the presence of such people, Trump must be refering to neo-nazis/white supremacists as "very fine people".

You are one of those sly people who stick up for the right in a covert manner, or rather, you are one of those who believe that they are skilled enough to further their narrative with covert tactics. Since Trump sympathized with the far-right and you don't condemn Trump for it, but instead even defend him, you are sympathizing with the far-right by extension. It has been quite clear to me since a while that that is what you are going for, hence why anytime the question of evidence comes up and the evidence doesn't suit your needs, you dismiss the importance of evidence.

I've run into people like you before on different subjects and there's no known way to get such people to admit to what they really are, but that's actually not that big of a problem. One has only failed against people like you when their narrative gets agreed to by others and so far you've failed your mission in this thread. The only support you are going to get here is by those who are already known to share those views and they didn't need any convincing from you to begin with. On the other hand, you are damaging your reputation on this site with your inconsistency; it doesn't matter if you claim that you have been consistent, because that's for others to judge.



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