EricHiggin said: Hmmm.. Klantifa? AntifISIS? :p |
NightlyPoe said:
No, I am asking you to compare similar situations and ignore irrelevant information. For example, writing an article you disagree with does not fall under that category. We are people with various opinions and foibles. That does not mean that a person can't be blameless in regards to something else. Just as pointing out that King was a womanizer does not nullify the good he did.
No. An attempt to keep you on topic. I know you wish to use character assassination to blame the victim (a repugnant practice in general) and I wish to close off that avenue.
This is easily answered: The far-right groups are not there to be peaceful, they are there for a fight. If we go back to the civil rights movement, they are akin to the militant wings that were not welcome within the mainstream civil rights movement we revere today. If the Freedom Riders had gotten off the buses and started fighting with clansmen and police in the street, they would have been rightly criticized and likely prosecuted while their message would be (wrongly) lost. Ngo does not fall into that category at all. He came with nothing but a camera for documentation purposes. When attacked, he immediately retreated (to be chased and attacked further) and awaited medical aid and the police. |
I think you forget the influence Malcolm X and the Black Panther Party had in the civil rights movement. The sad reality is that in order to achieve progress, sometimes violence is needed.
EricHiggin said: |
I'll add one more to your meme wall, my man.
RolStoppable said:
I don't think you realize how sinister people who align with the far-right can be. For example, there's a book publisher in Germany who focuses on publishing material that fosters far-right ideologies, but he isn't a member of the far-right political party AfD. However, he gives speeches on seminars for AfD members to provide them with ideas how they can reach their goals. That guy can always say that he isn't with the AfD, but he certainly does everything in his power to fuel the mindset that powers the AfD. He is also someone who likes to provoke in public spaces, and if attacked, he doesn't punch back. That's because he knows that taking hits allows him to frame the situation in a way that makes him a victim. You want Ngo to be perceived as just an ordinary journalist. You don't like it that I and others have looked at the articles he publishes and you call it character assassination when it's pointed out that Ngo aligns himself with the mindset of the far-right or close to it. Ngo isn't remotely close to the German example I mentioned yet, but Ngo seems to aspire to become someone like that. That's why it's very important to be able to see more than a binary context of good vs. bad. And yes, all of this is on topic, whether you like it or not. |
"You want Ngo to be perceived as just an ordinary journalist. You don't like it that I and others have looked at the articles he publishes and you call it character assassination when it's pointed out that Ngo aligns himself with the mindset of the far-right or close to it."
this is blatantly false, the only thing you have posted to smear his character is his dislike of islam, which isn't a property of the right but ironically mostly a property of the left where atheism mostly resides
and we see this clash of values on display here
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-48294017
its beyond dishonest to try to argue that opposition to islam is a far right or even a right position
do you have anything else that supports the position that he is far right?
RJTM1991 said:
I'll add one more to your meme wall, my man. |
"send death threats to an 11 year old girl"
what? seriously?
o_O.Q said:
"send death threats to an 11 year old girl" what? seriously? |
100%. Google "Mini AOC."
She's apparently only 8 too.
o_O.Q said:
"You want Ngo to be perceived as just an ordinary journalist. You don't like it that I and others have looked at the articles he publishes and you call it character assassination when it's pointed out that Ngo aligns himself with the mindset of the far-right or close to it." this is blatantly false, the only thing you have posted to smear his character is his dislike of islam, which isn't a property of the right but ironically mostly a property of the left where atheism mostly resides and we see this clash of values on display here LGBT school lessons protests spread nationwidehttps://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-48294017 its beyond dishonest to try to argue that opposition to islam is a far right or even a right position do you have anything else that supports the position that he is far right? |
Do you have any polling to support the idea that dislike of Islam is primarily something on the left?
https://news.gallup.com/poll/254120/less-half-vote-socialist-president.aspx
Link to polling that 38% of republicans would be willing to vote for a muslim for president while 86% of democrats would.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
Pew Research showing that republicans or those that are republican leaning are more likely to have concerns about islam than those that are democrat.
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Torillian said:
Do you have any polling to support the idea that dislike of Islam is primarily something on the left? https://news.gallup.com/poll/254120/less-half-vote-socialist-president.aspx Link to polling that 38% of republicans would be willing to vote for a muslim for president while 86% of democrats would. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/ Pew Research showing that republicans or those that are republican leaning are more likely to have concerns about islam than those that are democrat. |
Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for someone based on their policies rather than their religion or race?
Blindly admitting that they'd vote for someone just because they're a Muslim is pretty fucking stupid, I must say.
It's a damn shame that we live in a world where books are judged by their covers.
Torillian said:
Do you have any polling to support the idea that dislike of Islam is primarily something on the left? https://news.gallup.com/poll/254120/less-half-vote-socialist-president.aspx Link to polling that 38% of republicans would be willing to vote for a muslim for president while 86% of democrats would. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/ Pew Research showing that republicans are those that are republican leaning are more likely to have concerns about islam than those that are democrat. |
"Do you have any polling to support the idea that dislike of Islam is primarily something on the left? "
no I don't have any statistics to show that to be case... I just figured its obvious since islam and the left generally have conflicting values
"Link to polling that 38% of republicans would be willing to vote for a muslim for president while 86% of democrats would. "
"Research showing that republicans are those that are republican leaning are more likely to have concerns about islam than those that are democrat. "
fair enough I could be wrong on my assertion
i think this is a bit more complex than you are putting it here since we live in a world where feminists appear to be in support of islam by the majority while also decrying Christianity as one of the major driving forces behind why women were oppressed in the past, which obviously isn't consistent ( and shows a fair degree of stupidity and naivity )
but regardless i'll concede your argument
at any rate demonstrating that he has a problem with islam is not an argument since many leftists also have a problem with islam and its interesting that even though this argument has been made multiple times in this thread it is only now that you see a need to interject
RJTM1991 said:
Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for someone based on their policies rather than their religion or race? Blindly admitting that they'd vote for someone just because they're a Muslim is pretty fucking stupid, I must say. It's a damn shame that we live in a world where books are judged by their covers. |
"Americans' Willingness to Vote for Presidential Candidates From Certain Groups"
The question is not "would you vote for someone for being muslim" but "would you be willing to vote for someone who is muslim". The book judging is from the other side on this one.
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