"so you try to connect Antifa with all leftists to spin your narrative that left=bad and right=good."

how have i done so? can i get some quotes to substantiate this argument? or is this more lies like the claims that andy ngo was a proud boy and far right?

why are people like you resorting to lying so much in this thread?

I definitely want clarification on this "right=good" when have i ever said that right is good? what right wing policies am I in support of? please educate me on what my position is

"I'm simply stating the fact that if you are actively and continuously provoking a violent extremist group and show up in front of said extremist group you should be prepared for what may come because they're dangerous and unpredictable. It's just common sense really."

ok so don't expose antifa, don't try to oppose them, just let these assholes take over... ok

are you against protests in general? or just when it comes to opposition to antifa?

Every article on the left and right references this "clash" as a protest. That's what they are. The Proud boys held a rally, and Antifa came to counter-protest.

You're right that protests have turned violent in the past, and sometimes it was the fault of police officers, but it's also not fair to conclude all protests do and should result in that way. With the antifa protests of the last few years, much of the problems seem to stem from stand down orders issued to the cops.

KKKlantifa are far closer to the Neo Nazis than the people they claim to "oppose." They're also (not surprisingly) like 95% white men, many of whom I've heard are upper class. And funny enough, I've seen these people harass and assault women, gays, Jews and/or POC like 70% of the time, in the hours of videos I've seen of these terrorists.

These "people" have nothing better to do with their rich privileged lives than harass, intimidate, and assault those they disagree with. They also seem to believe anyone to the right of Trotsky are "Fascist." (in other words, like 85% of the US). I'm sure I'd be deemed a worthy target by these animals as well, being a center-left libertarian type. This narrow minded view and feeling of morality to the point you can beat and throw shit at those who step outside your narrow beliefs are the signs of a cult.

Anyway I can go on and on about KKKlantifa, and I've already done it to death on Twitter so I'll just leave it at that before go on an angry tirade. :P

Don't forget "Glorifying violence for the cause"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXTPG00OiYc

And some more info on them in case you thought perhaps a hate group's website isn't the best way to get an honest take. 

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

Wow... All I have said is facts and common sense, if you are that blinded by your own bs that you can't even agree on common sense then you have lost the argument entirely and you should be educated.

Your avatar and your posting history says it all tbh. You don't have to lie about your position and hide from it when it's blatantly on display.

You're making another logical fallacy, which is quite common with you, in that you assert I said that you said "right=good." I never said that you said that, what I said was that it was the narrative that you're pushing by your rhetoric. Myself and others have brought up facts about Ngo (that he wasn't just an innocent bystander) and have ALSO condemned Antifa in the same breath but you have continuously tried push for the narrative that Ngo was completely innocent when the facts tell otherwise and then try to imply we're on Antifa's side because we dared to criticize Ngo. Quite hypocritical of you.

And on the last two points of yours, I have already explained my position on that to you. Unlike you I don't like talking in circles so I'm not going to repeat myself.

Maybe if you'd just step out of your polarizing strict "left vs. right" world view bubble you'd realize that what I'm saying holds truth.

Edit: For posterity I should mention his avatar is Trump with the caption "I am growing stronger"

Bullshit. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want to excuse these scum, but these animals were absolutely in the wrong. Ngo is a reporter (for a website that, per their own cheif editor, is on record stating they are of a center-left, independent bent, similar to myself). But even if they're far right wing that shouldn't fucking matter in the first place. In what insane world can people defend Fascists (and yes that is exactly what KKKlantifa is) intimidating reporters into silence and violence because they have different political bents??

We shouldn't be asking why a reporter is on the scene doing his job - we should be asking why are there a group of masked domestic terrorists beating on journalists in the first place! and furthermore why did the police stand down and not help this reporter out? And why are a ton of media excusing or even defending it? Frightening times in this country when shit like this is allowed to happen and millions (many of whom are of high influence in society) can somehow excuse/enable this. I've studied history and I see where this leads if this mob mentality of violence/censorship goes unchecked and gets out of hand. Hint: Germany circa the mid 1940s.

But I guess this is what happens when we all divide into mindless tribes and abandon all personal responsibility. That's our country now I guess. It's always "It's not MY fault I'm a despicable human, it's THIS GUY'S fault!" 

"Fascists divide themselves into two categories: fascists and antifascists" - Ennio Flaiano

first off let me ask you something, do you consider andy ngo to be a hero for his opposition to antifa? if so why not?

"You don't have to lie about your position and hide from it when it's blatantly on display."

i'm asking you to substantiate your assertion and looking through your post its apparent that you don't have anything with which to do so? so why make the assertion to begin with? are you going to start preaching to me about god next? how would that be any different?

"You're making another logical fallacy, which is quite common with you"

but constantly making assertions with no backing isn't a fallacy i suppose lol

"Myself and others have brought up facts about Ngo"

no one has shown yet that he is either a proud boy or far right despite many here claiming that is the case

"in that you assert I said that you said "right=good." I never said that you said that, what I said was that it was the narrative that you're pushing by your rhetoric."

i'll ask again, can i have some evidence? you claim to deal in facts right? can I have some please?

" Myself and others have brought up facts about Ngo (that he wasn't just an innocent bystander)"

yes by claiming he was either far right or a proud boy... facts?... evidence?

" but you have continuously tried push for the narrative that Ngo was completely innocent when the facts tell otherwise"

to elaborate he is GUILTY by your own admission of exposing assholes who run around splitting peoples' heads open with hunks of metal

"Maybe if you'd just step out of your polarizing strict "left vs. right" world view bubble"
lol at this point i'm not even going to bother repeating myself

"For posterity I should mention his avatar is Trump with the caption "I am growing stronger"

correct, which is relevant how? oh I see is that the evidence that I believe the right to be good? not anything i've posted, not a declaration of my position, but an avatar? lmao

I understand that and its a state imposed ideology but i'm always very very interested in seeing what he has to say

Lol i doubt they will get many white nationalists on their side when they clearly present Anti-Racism as a value,it could also be a problem that a good amount of them are non whites.

Do you have an opinion of them and what information did you follow to come to that conclusion?

"venerating the housewife" lol