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mutantsushi said:
Ljink96 said:
And I think this is why Sony isn't acknowledging Nintendo as a competitor.

Given Nintendo themselves announced "blue ocean" strategy i.e. not competing but finding/creating own unique niche, what is noteworthy about Sony taking them on their word? I'm not sure why what I assume are Nintendo fans seem to have difficulty comprehending Nintendo's own self proclaimed strategy, I suppose it is simply that "not competing" has negative connotation which they reflexively defend against.

Where I stand is, companies can say whatever they want to "differentiate themselves", but they're all in competition with eachother whether they acknowledge it or not. I'm not necessarily the average polarized Nintendo fan, I follow the industry as a whole, I just have a preference. I don't care what Nintendo or Sony says regarding the issue, cutting to the heart of the conversation and deflecting the BS, they're all in competition with one another. These words "blue ocean" and "hard core" like...they mean nothing to me and often serve as PR blanket terms.

Nintendo can call themselves unique or try to block themselves off as much as they want, but the reality is that they are a hardware manufacturer for video game software as is Sony and Microsoft. They're not in a "Nintendo Gaming Market" where they have 100% market share. Nintendo was compared to Sony and Microsoft during the Wii era, the Wii U, and now the Switch. We compare hardware numbers, NPDs, YTDs, Aligned Sales, etc. between all hardware because they're all in a competitive ecosystem. There's not an imaginary "Nintendo Only" barrier. There were consoles with power gaps, age gaps and similar and different software and demographics in the past...they were still competitors. I am not sure why that's too difficult of a concept to grasp to be honest. 

If there are people that truly believe that they aren't in competition, then I struggle to see why there are Switch chart comparisons to begin with. Just for the heck of it?

Edit: And for what it's worth there's plenty of interviews where Nintendo refers to Sony and Microsoft as direct competitors and not their competitors at the same time. Their words hold no water, they say what feels right at the time. The art of PR talk. 

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I liked that they became more eurocentric over ps2/3 but what they did this gen is a bit too far.



Ljink96 said: These words "blue ocean" and "hard core" like...they mean nothing to me and often serve as PR blanket terms.

You do understand that Nintendo didn't just make up the term 'blue ocean'? It's not a PR term at all, it's a specific business strategy term, it has a Wikipedia page explaining how it was invented by French business professors, and is a real strategy that many companies in many sectors find valuable. Otherwise, if Nintendo's citation of the term makes zero actual sense as you suggest, every business analyst would say they are insane and imcompetent for citing competely irrelevant business strategy. Yet AFAIK that didn't tank their stock price, so alot of business analysts who are very familiar with the technical term "blue ocean strategy" seemd to think it was pretty coherently applicable to Nintendo.

You now say "you don't care what Sony or Nintendo have to say about issue" yet your post I was responding to literally stated "I think this is why Sony isn't acknowledging Nintendo as a competitor." the entire topic of which obviously revolves around what Sony says about the issue. So yeah, when Nintendo cites commonly known business strategy and Sony responds congruently with recognizing that strategy Nintendo cited, it seems rather bizarre to claim the simplest most direct explanation is completely incomprehensible and irrelevant. Last edited by mutantsushi - on 06 July 2019

Most people are over thinking it. Almost all of the franchises that made playstation what it was back in the day are still here (Final Fantasy, MSG, Tekken, GT), they're just less popular. Most importantly they're 90% third person companies.

First party wise their studios are almost the same.



Otter said:
Almost all of the franchises that made playstation what it was back in the day are still here (Final Fantasy, MSG, Tekken, GT), they're just less popular. Most importantly they're 90% third person companies.

First party wise their studios are almost the same.

Exactly my view on it, it wasn't Sony's decision for Japanese 3rd parties to produce less games or for them to be less successfull. But people want somebody to blame.

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BraLoD said:
All I know is that they are not making any LoD, and that sucks.
The rest is fine.

You don’t know that, it might still be in secret. Stay positive!



mutantsushi said:
Ljink96 said: These words "blue ocean" and "hard core" like...they mean nothing to me and often serve as PR blanket terms.

You do understand that Nintendo didn't just make up the term 'blue ocean'? It's not a PR term at all, it's a specific business strategy term, it has a Wikipedia page explaining how it was invented by French business professors, and is a real strategy that many companies in many sectors find valuable. Otherwise, if Nintendo's citation of the term makes zero actual sense as you suggest, every business analyst would say they are insane and imcompetent for citing competely irrelevant business strategy. Yet AFAIK that didn't tank their stock price, so alot of business analysts who are very familiar with the technical term "blue ocean strategy" seemd to think it was pretty coherently applicable to Nintendo.

You now say "you don't care what Sony or Nintendo have to say about issue" yet your post I was responding to literally stated "I think this is why Sony isn't acknowledging Nintendo as a competitor." the entire topic of which obviously revolves around what Sony says about the issue. So yeah, when Nintendo cites commonly known business strategy and Sony responds congruently with recognizing that strategy Nintendo cited, it seems rather bizarre to claim the simplest most direct explanation is completely incomprehensible and irrelevant.

I guess I misused PR in this regard, but what I mean is talk when it isn't followed. Words that hold no weight in regards to how they operate in business. I'm well aware of the meaning of Blue Ocean

And yes I don't care what they claim what they do because actions speak louder than words. I'm not someone that's swayed by words and takes words at face value. I don't care what Sony says or Nintendo says because treating eachother like they don't exist and aren't in competition, they're in denial. I told you where I stand and that should be simple enough to understand. The stuff you bring up isn't relevant to my overall argument that both are competitive, for anyone to say otherwise...yeah. 

As I thought more on the topic I became less vague and focused more on what I actually think, that happens sometimes in discussions... So yes I don't care what either says as Nintendo and Sony about how they are or aren't competitors as both have waffled on the situation. And what topic revolves around what Sony says? This thread isn't about the comments sony recently made... to be honest I'm probably getting off topic.



ClassicGamingWizzz said:
why would they focus on a market where people barely have time to play when they kill themselfs working 12 to 14 hours a day.

What a distasteful comment.



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Too western? Like asking if JRPGs have become too eastern.



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Hynad said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
why would they focus on a market where people barely have time to play when they kill themselfs working 12 to 14 hours a day.

What a distasteful comment.

My comment was about shit working conditions , its true japanese people work crazy amount of hours and barely have time to themselfs, time to date , game etc.

That why phone games are What they play and portable mode switch games, where you can play for some minutes when you have a Little break or going on bus to work place etc. 

Cant Blame Sony for focusing on other markets.