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Keiji said:
VAMatt said:

Who lost their mind?

I simply pointed out that it's anti-gamer, and that I intend to avoid rewarding anti-gamer behavior to the best of my ability.  MS, to the best of my knowledge, has no first-party exclusives anymore.  All games come to PC as well, and some even go to Switch and PS.  If they pay for timed exclusivity of games going forward, as I mentioned in another post, I'll hold it against them.  

I game on all systems - I've owned almost every major gaming console and handheld released in the US since the Atari 2600.  I'll very likely own everything next gen too.  But, I'll have to choose which new system to pick up next year, and which to push down the road a couple years.  Whichever I buy first will likely end up getting more money from me over the course of the generation.  If one of the two is being significantly better to gamers in general, shouldn't I weigh that in my decision?  Aren't I supposed to vote with my wallet?

The real question is : why would you want an Xbox when you have a good PC ? That doesn't make sense I'm sorry...

I've just never been able to get into PC gaming.  I do own a decent rig.  But, I just prefer the plug and play nature, the ability to resell games, and the ease of use of console gaming.  

With that said, the fact that I can play Halo on my PC does make it plausible for me to go with PS first next gen, if I want.  If I had to have an XB for Halo, there's very little chance I'd buy PS before XB. 



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VAMatt said:
Keiji said:

The real question is : why would you want an Xbox when you have a good PC ? That doesn't make sense I'm sorry...

I've just never been able to get into PC gaming.  I do own a decent rig.  But, I just prefer the plug and play nature, the ability to resell games, and the ease of use of console gaming.  

You don't like good prices, superior games, free online and mods by people for free ?



Replicant said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

1: In the case of DR3, because Capcom said the game was never going to happen without Microsoft. In the case of SFV, Capcom said it would have taken a long time without Sony. Not to mention you're talking about a pretty small time franchise versus Street Fighter. One franchise Capcom was going to let die without Microsoft support, the other you'd have to be an apologist to actually believe would have never happened had Sony not gotten involved.

Personal taste also plays a part in this. You won't see me complaining about Shenmue 3 exclusive stuff because frankly I don't give a shit about the game.

2: Titanfall is different and I've said on this forum numerous times that I wish PS4 users could have played it. But in that games case Microsoft was already heavily invested and EA struck a deal. If they made Jedi whatever Xbone exclusive I would also say that's a bum deal and PS4 owners should get to play it.

3: Who are "you guys" exactly? I'm expressing my own opinion here.

1: Dude. Both Street Fighter V and Dead Rising 3 were moneyhats. Both are "shitty practices" (your words) regardless of your personal taste.

2: "But in that games case Microsoft was already heavily invested and EA struck a deal." I don't even know what you're trying to say. How is it different from "But in SFV's case Sony was already heavily invested and Capcom struck a deal."?

3: For instance the user below. First comment of the thread (besides OP).

VAMatt said:
That's unfortunate. Anti-gamer behavior like this needs to see more pushback. So, I'll put this as a check mark in XB's favor when trying to decide which next gen console to buy first.

Nah, I'd consider DR3 to be closer to something like Ryse, Sunset, Spider-Man, Bloodborne, etc. Except in DR3's case the game wouldn't have happened without MS, idk about the other games without MS/Sony. Street Fighter V by Capcom's own admission was coming whether Sony moneyhatted it or not.

I'd put SFV with Rise of the Tomb Raider but at least in the case of Rise, it did come to PS4 down the line and in improved form. Xbone or Switch owners will never get SFV. Scummy as fuck.



Keiji said:
VAMatt said:

I've just never been able to get into PC gaming.  I do own a decent rig.  But, I just prefer the plug and play nature, the ability to resell games, and the ease of use of console gaming.  

You don't like good prices, superior games, free online and mods by people for free ?

I do like those things, yes (though I don't care much about mods).  But, I like to play on my couch, with a controller in my hand, in addition to the other things I mentioned. And, while I know that is possible with a PC, the reality is that most PvP games played with controller on PC basically guarantees constant losing to people with keyboard and mouse.  I'd say that counters the free online point. 

PC gaming is definitely not cheaper for me, as I resell most console games after I play them, usually for 80% or so of what I paid.  (I'll note that I have a lot less time to mess with reselling now though.  So, this factor is starting to become less significant for me.)

Superior games.... PC certainly wins there.  It is an important factor to me, and the one thing that always speaks to me from the back of my mind saying "buy it on PC, buy it on PC, buy it on PC"

Mods - like I said, I just don't really care about them.  That's probably because I'm really a console gamer, and they're just not a big part of console gaming.  

Anyway, PC gaming is looking more and more appealing to me.  But, I'm still seeing more check marks in console's favor.  There's also the fact that I'm a creature of habit, and I've been playing on console since I could hold a joystick (one of my first memories is of playing Pitfall on Atari 2600 in 1982 or 83. I'd have been 2-3 years old).  



LudicrousSpeed said:

They seem to be taking a very literal approach to the WSJ article. It does say something about strengthening relationships with third party publishers, and then goes on about gamers buying consoles for graphically intense games not available on other platforms. But the next sentence references smartphones... so it's hard to tell if the WSJ article is talking about an actual real exclusive or just meaty graphical games like RDR2, which isn't available on smartphones.

Does anyone doubt Sony is looking to snatch up whatever timed exclusives or exclusive content they can? They're launching a new console in 2020, it makes sense. Microsoft is probably doing the same thing. Weren't a couple of their games showcased at E3 "play first on Xbox"? I don't think many people have problems with timed exclusive content. It's never bothered me or swayed my purchase decision until this gen. Last gen I still played most CoD games on PS3 because that's where most of my family and friends were online, so a 30 day wait for some map packs was nothing.

But this gen Sony really seemed to up the ante in terms of shitty practices when it came to this stuff. Destiny had timed exclusive content that could go over a year before showing up on other platforms. Hell, you could buy DLC for Destiny on Xbox/PC, pay the same price as PS4 users, and inside of your paid DLC you'd have time exclusive content you couldn't access for a year. Fucking disgusting. In this case I did vote with my wallet, never spent a penny on Destiny DLC and will never spend a penny on Destiny 2. SFV, huge SF fan, but there's zero reason to lock Xbox out of SFV, so no thanks, won't get any money from me.

Idc if they want to continue snatching up timed exclusive shit for PS5 but I hope it's dialed way back from what we saw this gen but I know that won't be the case because it would have to come from publishers, not Sony, and publishers love money too much to pass up essentially free money.

I don't get the part about relying less on indies. If anything as their first party output has slowed (which it has, pretty dramatically imho) they've relied more and more on smaller indie releases and exclusive content deals with outside companies. Look at PS+. It's relying more and more on smaller indie type titles, even after Sony stopped supporting Vita and PS3 with new PS+ games.

Personally the idea that Sony is going to rely less on smaller titles and more on tried and true big franchises for hardcore gamers is an idea I don't like and is an idea that is pretty funny considering that's the exact complaint many Sony fans here and elsewhere on the Internets have long had about Microsoft (Halo, Gears, Forza). Now we see Microsoft expanding their studio portfolio and branching out into many different areas and Sony pulling back on smaller less profitable titles and going all in on big name projects. It makes me think back to the PS2/3 days when they were pumping out some quality shit you were unaware of but became great titles. I guess this is just an extension of what we saw on PS4 though, less first party titles, bigger emphasis on timed exclusive content and paying companies like FS, Kojima, and Insomniac to make titles. Meh.

konkari said:

According to Sony itself, they are focusing on First party, Big budget, story based, PS exclusives.

The article that was cited here was based on a no-name source, who is said to be well informed. So basically pure hearsay. According to me, this article was written for two purposes:

1. To get clicks

2. To smear PS reputation and make it look like antigamer.

By the way, I know just one 3rd party game where Sony has had timed exclusivity, and that is Destiny. Considering that it was a new IP, and it has had several rough seasons, I would say Sonys commitment has probably helped to get Destiny over its crisis. Is that so anti consumer. 

Any other 3rd party games with Sony exclusive content out there? 

Well, the site AFAIK is a Playstation site, do I highly doubt they're trying to smear Playstation.

And uh, Destiny sold like hotcakes from day one and would have done just as well with zero exclusive content. In fact it might have done even better with no exclusive content because it was a game already light on content and any more strikes or maps or missions or weapons would have been more content to grind.

There are loads of multiplatform games with PS4 exclusive content and timed exclusive content. Most recently Red Dead 2, CTR, Call of Duty, among many others. Control is out in August and has PS4 content that has me probably passing on the game even though it's Remedy and looks like Quantum Break, which was amazing. And the upcoming Avengers game has PS4 content. I'm sure there are others, but I use my Scorpio for multiplatform games and rarely turn my Pro on so I don't keep up much with timed exclusive content for PS4.

As far as I remember you don't like PS exclusives in general, so not sure why you are complaining about less exclusives.

And Sony isn't focusing on 3 games, they are reducing quantity to improve quality, have no idea what would be the issue. New IPs are still coming.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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shikamaru317 said:

Moneyhats like usual, what a shame. If Sony's first party is as strong as people act like it is, moneyhatting 3rd parties wouldn't be necessary. 

Sales of the first party games have been great this gen, so no idea what you are trying to imply.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Only time I like a timed exclusive is when it's eventually released on my platform of choice (PC) and it comes bundled with a heap of DLC for the same or lower price. (I.E. GOTY edition.) Plus a heap of patches to iron out the issues doesn't hurt either.

Got plenty of games to keep me entertained anyway, so not releasing straight away isn't a big issue.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

Sounds like the same Sony that doubled down on Portable CD Players for the Core Music audience, because the world wasn't ready for Digital Music. The same Sony that doubled down on CRT and Rear Projection TVs for the Core AV enthusiasts, because the world wasn't ready fro LCD. The same Sony that forced a Blu-ray Player into the PS3 to grab all the Physical Movie Royalties, because the world wasn't ready for digital films and streaming.

Basically, it sounds like Sony will repeat history, once again betting on the core market, and leaving the mass market to the competition. Pehapps it was inevitable that PlayStation Home consoles would face the same fate as every other previously successful Sony platform.

I hope I am wrong, and Sony is right. It just seems unlikely that Digital/Streaming will fail this time around, after it has proven itself every time in the past. The way I see it, 2000's = Audio, 2010's = Video, 2020's will very likely = Games, and maybe 2030's = VR.

Don't get me wrong. I love games, and I like the idea of a Hardcore all out box for gaming. I would be excited as ever if PS5 was a $1,000 device that delivered the best performce available. Unfortunately, I have already seen what happens when devices are built for the core gamer, and don't offer the basic features the masses expect.



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Oh no, 500$ PS5?



KBG29 said:
Sounds like the same Sony that doubled down on Portable CD Players for the Core Music audience, because the world wasn't ready for Digital Music. The same Sony that doubled down on CRT and Rear Projection TVs for the Core AV enthusiasts, because the world wasn't ready fro LCD. The same Sony that forced a Blu-ray Player into the PS3 to grab all the Physical Movie Royalties, because the world wasn't ready for digital films and streaming.

Basically, it sounds like Sony will repeat history, once again betting on the core market, and leaving the mass market to the competition. Pehapps it was inevitable that PlayStation Home consoles would face the same fate as every other previously successful Sony platform.

I hope I am wrong, and Sony is right. It just seems unlikely that Digital/Streaming will fail this time around, after it has proven itself every time in the past. The way I see it, 2000's = Audio, 2010's = Video, 2020's will very likely = Games, and maybe 2030's = VR.

Don't get me wrong. I love games, and I like the idea of a Hardcore all out box for gaming. I would be excited as ever if PS5 was a $1,000 device that delivered the best performce available. Unfortunately, I have already seen what happens when devices are built for the core gamer, and don't offer the basic features the masses expect.

I rather have a HW that focus on core gamer and that Playstation breaks from it then they focusing on what don't interest me making their product not worthy for me even while it is healthy on sales.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."