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VAMatt said:
That's unfortunate. Anti-gamer behavior like this needs to see more pushback. So, I'll put this as a check mark in XB's favor when trying to decide which next gen console to buy first.

MS did timed exclusives all this gen, trying to gain some sales, but it never worked in their favor.



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BraLoD said:
VAMatt said:
That's unfortunate. Anti-gamer behavior like this needs to see more pushback. So, I'll put this as a check mark in XB's favor when trying to decide which next gen console to buy first.

Because MS is certainly not doing the same... sure.

Doesn't mean that it's good behavior just because the other one is doing it too.



Bandorr said:
Conina said:

What you don't seem to understand: there is a difference between moneyhatting and timed exclusivity.

Timed exclusivity is a broad definition. It doesn't matter if the exclusivity time frame gets announced or not. It also doesn't matter if someone pays for exclusivity or not.

ROTT was a timed console exclusive for 11 months, but only a timed exclusive for 3 months. "Timed console exclusives" is and intersection of "timed exclusives" and "console exclusives":

And why is the Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy not a timed exclusive? PS4 version in June 2017, PC+XBO versions in June 2018, so 12 months difference. PCs and XBOs EVEN EXISTED in June 2017.

And why is Detroit: Become Human not a timed exclusive? PS4 version in May 2018, PC version in autumn 2019, so 16 - 18 months difference. PCs EVEN EXISTED in May 2018.

And why is Batman: Arkham VR not a timed exclusive? PSVR version in October 2016, PCVR in April 2017, so 6 months difference. PCVR headsets and PCs EVEN EXISTED in October 2016.

And why is Moss not a timed exclusive? PSVR version in February 2018, PCVR in June 2018, so 4 months difference. PCVR headsets and PCs EVEN EXISTED in February 2018.

And why is Skyrim VR not a timed exclusive? PSVR version in November 2017, PCVR in April 2018, so 5 months difference. PCVR headsets and PCs EVEN EXISTED in November 2017.

And why are the listed DLCs no timed exclusive DLCs? For most of them the timed exclusivity was even announced.

"Almost none of those are timed exclusives."

I didn't say all.

What a cop-out!

So you can't explain why Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy, Detroit: Become Human, Batman: Arkham VR, Moss, Skyrim VR and the DLCs aren't timed exclusives.

So can you explain why Battlezone, Borderlands 2 VR, Polybius, Resident Evil 7 VR, REZ Infinite, Tethered, Danganronpa 1 - 3, Dragon Quest Builders, Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD, World of Final Fantasy, Ys VIII aren't timed exclusives.

Bandorr said:

Here is a hint if the switch WASNT EVEN OUT YET - you can't call them timed exclusives. Because there was no intent to keep them from going anywhere. Because THERE WAS NO WHERE TO GO.

I wasn't even thinking about the Switch version of Disgea 5 when I listed it above, i was refering to the PC version... and PCs are existing since a few decades.

Bandorr said:

And you'd have to look into the game. Did they release the game. See that it went well THEN decide to port that game? That isn't a timed exclusive. That is a port.

No, you don't have to look into the game and if the developers planned to release other versions later. The game was exclusive and the exclusivity gets broken by the second version, making the game "timed exclusive". You are making your definitions and exceptions up to fit your argument.

If not "timed exclusive" what is a game after the release of a second version on a different platform? Still an exclusive? Was it never an exclusive to begin with? Is it in exclusivity limbo now?

Bandorr said:

I'm not your teacher. I'm not going to grade your home work. You want to prove a point - you research it first. I can already tell you it is an F just on not knowing the definition of timed exclusive in the first place.

You embarrass your point by trying to argue that Disgaea 5 is a "timed exclusive", while ignoring actual points like YES the destiny DLC IS timed exclusive.

This is the second time you are trying to pull the discussion on a personal level.

And do you know and can prove the definition of a timed exclusive? Where can we read that definition?



LudicrousSpeed said:

1: In the case of DR3, because Capcom said the game was never going to happen without Microsoft. In the case of SFV, Capcom said it would have taken a long time without Sony. Not to mention you're talking about a pretty small time franchise versus Street Fighter. One franchise Capcom was going to let die without Microsoft support, the other you'd have to be an apologist to actually believe would have never happened had Sony not gotten involved.

Personal taste also plays a part in this. You won't see me complaining about Shenmue 3 exclusive stuff because frankly I don't give a shit about the game.

2: Titanfall is different and I've said on this forum numerous times that I wish PS4 users could have played it. But in that games case Microsoft was already heavily invested and EA struck a deal. If they made Jedi whatever Xbone exclusive I would also say that's a bum deal and PS4 owners should get to play it.

3: Who are "you guys" exactly? I'm expressing my own opinion here.

1: Dude. Both Street Fighter V and Dead Rising 3 were moneyhats. Both are "shitty practices" (your words) regardless of your personal taste.

2: "But in that games case Microsoft was already heavily invested and EA struck a deal." I don't even know what you're trying to say. How is it different from "But in SFV's case Sony was already heavily invested and Capcom struck a deal."?

3: For instance the user below. First comment of the thread (besides OP).

VAMatt said:
That's unfortunate. Anti-gamer behavior like this needs to see more pushback. So, I'll put this as a check mark in XB's favor when trying to decide which next gen console to buy first.


Conina said:
Bandorr said:

"Almost none of those are timed exclusives."

I didn't say all.

What a cop-out!

So you can't explain why Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy, Detroit: Become Human, Batman: Arkham VR, Moss, Skyrim VR and the DLCs aren't timed exclusives.

So can you explain why Battlezone, Borderlands 2 VR, Polybius, Resident Evil 7 VR, REZ Infinite, Tethered, Danganronpa 1 - 3, Dragon Quest Builders, Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD, World of Final Fantasy, Ys VIII aren't timed exclusives.

Bandorr said:

Here is a hint if the switch WASNT EVEN OUT YET - you can't call them timed exclusives. Because there was no intent to keep them from going anywhere. Because THERE WAS NO WHERE TO GO.

I wasn't even thinking about the Switch version of Disgea 5 when I listed it above, i was refering to the PC version... and PCs are existing since a few decades.

Bandorr said:

And you'd have to look into the game. Did they release the game. See that it went well THEN decide to port that game? That isn't a timed exclusive. That is a port.

No, you don't have to look into the game and if the developers planned to release other versions later. The game was exclusive and the exclusivity gets broken by the second version, making the game "timed exclusive". You are making your definitions and exceptions up to fit your argument.

Bandorr said:

I'm not your teacher. I'm not going to grade your home work. You want to prove a point - you research it first. I can already tell you it is an F just on not knowing the definition of timed exclusive in the first place.

You embarrass your point by trying to argue that Disgaea 5 is a "timed exclusive", while ignoring actual points like YES the destiny DLC IS timed exclusive.

This is the second time you are trying to pull the discussion on a personal level.

And do you know and can prove the definition of a timed exclusive? Where can we read that definition?

I told you to do your own research. I was finishing lunch and looked up two games. And the results are surprising!

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/06/one_guy_got_crash_bandicoot_n_sane_trilogy_up_and_running_on_switch

"According to Nintendo World Report, sometime around the PlayStation 4 release of the N. Sane Trilogy, a lone engineer at Vicarious Visions spent his weekend trying to get the first level of the remaster up and running on Nintendo’s latest device. He managed to succeed, and it was at this point the company realised a port to the hybrid device was feasible."

They didn't even know the game was feasible for the switch by the time it release for the PS4.  Why would sony "money hat" a game from a system that it wasn't even going to release on in the first place. 

Detroit: Become Human

"During the March 2019 Game Developers Conference, video game and software developer Epic Games announced that Quantic Dream would publish Detroit: Become Human along with Heavy Rain and Beyond: Two Souls for Microsoft Windows the same year, to be exclusively available on the Epic Games Store for a year before appearing elsewhere."

So it was exclusive to PS (along with two other games). Then epic came along. Suddenly not only that game, but two OTHER games were coming to PC. Where they will be on the epic store for a year.

So while you accuse the PS of "money hatting" and making a timed exclusive out of one game.. you seem to ignore that EPIC actually is making a timed exclusive out of THREE games.

The game had no intention of coming to PC until it was - "shocked" money hatted.

-- I grabbed the first two games on your list. And I've already shown that neither were timed exclusives.  One wasn't even planned when it release for the PS4, and one was actually going to be exclusive until it got "money hatted" away by Epic.

I did that in 5 minutes.  And this isn't even my argument.  Now imagine what YOU Can do if you actually did any of your own research.

A) You don't know what timed exclusive means

B) You aren't even researching the games you mentioned. You are just going "it came to another system later GOTCHA". I'd be embarrassed if I were you.  Nothing personal. Simply a fact. To have someone prove me wrong this many times, and to realize I put so little thought into my argument would horrify me.

This seems to get out of hand. You don't care what the definition of a timed exclusive is. So I'm leaving this argument - have a good day.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
BraLoD said:

Because MS is certainly not doing the same... sure.

Doesn't mean that it's good behavior just because the other one is doing it too.

No one says it's good behavior. VAMatt's acting like moneyhatting isn't a practice on XB1. BraLod pointed out that he's wrong.



VAMatt said:
That's unfortunate. Anti-gamer behavior like this needs to see more pushback. So, I'll put this as a check mark in XB's favor when trying to decide which next gen console to buy first.

MS buys 3rd party devs to hold their games as full exclusive, nobody bats an eye...

Sony invests in timed exclusive content, something that MS themselves pushed full swing with the 360, and everyone loses their minds!



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Moneyhats like usual, what a shame. If Sony's first party is as strong as people act like it is, moneyhatting 3rd parties wouldn't be necessary. 



Bandorr said:

I told you to do your own research. I was finishing lunch and looked up two games. And the results are surprising!

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/06/one_guy_got_crash_bandicoot_n_sane_trilogy_up_and_running_on_switch

"According to Nintendo World Report, sometime around the PlayStation 4 release of the N. Sane Trilogy, a lone engineer at Vicarious Visions spent his weekend trying to get the first level of the remaster up and running on Nintendo’s latest device. He managed to succeed, and it was at this point the company realised a port to the hybrid device was feasible."

They didn't even know the game was feasible for the switch by the time it release for the PS4.  Why would sony "money hat" a game from a system that it wasn't even going to release on in the first place. 

WTF is your fixation on Switch versions?

The Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy was a one year timed exclusive until the PC version and XBO version were released.

Will you tell us next that they didn't even know the game was feasible for the PC and Xbox One by the time it release for the PS4?



Looks like the title of the thread was a bit misleading since Sony apparently didn't mention timed exclusives in the article, but some unnamed inside source said/speculated about it.
So I changed the title to "focusing on Hard-Code gamers", which is the title of the WSJ article.