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Is stadia going to fail? (not be competitive, profitable?)

yes - (people wont pay for 4k subscription) 42 77.78%
 
no - (people want to stre... 12 22.22%
 
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https://www.neogaf.com/threads/google-stadia-games-will-cost-the-same-as-other-consoles-despite-ownership-concerns.1490035/

So from what I understand, and read on neogaf, the price for games you "buy" is the same full price as buying say a physical copy.
You need a subscription, to be able to play these games. It runs out, your locked out and have no access to your games.

Thats to say, you pay full price for games, which you in turn dont own.

Then theres the cost of the service.
At 10$+ a month, a 6year console cycle ends up at 6years x 12months x 10$ = 720$.

Most physical consoles, are bought at a lower price than that.
Ontop of this, theres higher demand on your internet.
Plus theres the fact that streaming, introduces compression artifacts, and input lag ect.

So overall your getting a lesser experiance, which ends up costing more than buying a console, and you dont own anything (no re-sell value).

Am I the only one that see's this as horrible value?
Is the option to stream things to your phone worth the trade offs?

*edit:

Apparently its currently "free" to use at 1080p.  The 10$ pr month was for 4k.
That changes things somewhat.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 28 June 2019

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JRPGfan said:

So from what I understand, and read on neogaf, the price for games you "buy" is the same full price as buying say a physical copy.
You need a subscription, to be able to play these games. It runs out, your locked out and have no access to your games.

You don't need a subscription to play your games. You need a subscription to play them in 4k. 1080p is free. The main advantage of Stadia applies to people who don't own capable gaming hardware. I think Stadia will be successful. Google has too much advertising power for it not to be.

"At 10$+ a month, a 6year console cycle ends up at 6years x 12months x 10$ = 720$."

If you had a console you'd be paying for PS+/Gold which would mitigate some of this. Online multiplayer on Stadia is free, no subscription required, and with the subscription you will get some free games (Destiny 2 Complete at launch) though we don't know how many and how often yet.

As for the 1080p limit, well Stadia has 8TF of power if I remember correctly, probably around equivelent to a GTX 1080, if you're running games at their maximum settings you probably won't get above 1080p@60fps in most titles anyway, so your choice will be between Ultra 1080p or Medium 4k. So 1080p might actually be the better option anyway, especially as it won't require as much bandwidth.

Last edited by Barkley - on 28 June 2019

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It being free at 1080p does change things somewhat.
But then again next gen consoles will all be 4k.

If your willing to give up the graphical edge, I guess it makes it alot more competitive.
Esp if your one to game more on your phone.

I just dont see it as something hardcore gamers will be intrested in.



JRPGfan said:
It being free at 1080p does change things somewhat.
But then again next gen consoles will all be 4k.

If your willing to give up the graphical edge, I guess it makes it alot more competitive.
Esp if your one to game more on your phone.

I just dont see it as something hardcore gamers will be intrested in.

There won't necessarily be much of a graphical edge though. Nextgen systems will probably be a little bit more powerful than Stadia is, but we're not talking by much. Stadia is 8TF, PS5/XB2 might be 10TF. Basically if PS5/XB2 is playing a game at 4k it'll have lower graphics settings then Stadia running them at 1080p. And I have no doubt Stadia will be upgraded fairly frequently. That's another advantage of server side hardware, google can just upgrade their hardware. PS5 will be locked for 7 years (with the exception of paying $400-$500 to buy a Pro).

"I just dont see it as something hardcore gamers will be intrested in." - Many probably won't be. Stadia will appeal to a different market than those that are already shelling out big money on a gaming pc or an XBO X. When people are watching gameplay videos on YouTube and have a big "Play Now on Stadia" advertisement a the side, that's going to attract.



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I think Stadia will fail with gamers, but they aren't going after gamers I don't think. I suspect they are trying to identify a new market of non-gamers that they want to make gamers with the convenience factor. People who generally don't want to go through the hassle of booting up hardware after spending an enormous amount on it, who don't want to put game discs/cards into devices to have to play them, who don't have the patience for loading screens, and who want to access everything from everywhere. I think Stadia will do better with the typical iphone user than traditional gamers, personally.



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It will be integrated in Youtube under “every“ gaming video as long as the game will be on Stadia.

That alone should be enough to make it a decent success



crissindahouse said:
It will be integrated in Youtube under “every“ gaming video as long as the game will be on Stadia.

That alone should be enough to make it a decent success

Basically. When there's a "Launch Trailer" video on youtube with 4 million views and all those people see a big button saying "Play Now on Stadia" and can pay $60 to be playing the game in literally 10 seconds, that's something. Of course the actual audience will be limited to people with good internet, and in certain locations it might not even work very well regardless of how good your internet is. But these are things that can only become less and less of an issue with time.

People aren't patient and people impulse buy, and Stadia definitely lends itself to that.



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It mainly depends on two things:

1. How serious is Google about Stadia? If they approach the market like both Sony and Microsoft did when they entered the console market, they will buy their way into it. Google can pay for deals to get either exclusive games or have big multiplatform titles playable on their service a couple of weeks before they release on PS and Xbox. Additionally, they can buy the exclusive marketing rights which has been common practice for over a decade now. Google certainly has the money and infrastructure to be a competitive force.

2. How fast will the market embrace streaming, if at all? That's a big question and it's likely to stifle the growth of the streaming services of Google, Sony and Microsoft, so how aggressive Google will run Stadia could ultimately be moot.

As for costs, $720 for six years comes in considerably lower than what Sony and Microsoft consoles do. Being generous and assuming $400 price tags...

Console - $400
Mid-gen upgrade - $400
Online subscription - $360
Total - $1,160 or $800 if someone foregoes to play games online.

Google's version of the mid-gen upgrade is that they update their server blades and that will come at no cost to the customer.



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Barkley said:
JRPGfan said:

So from what I understand, and read on neogaf, the price for games you "buy" is the same full price as buying say a physical copy.
You need a subscription, to be able to play these games. It runs out, your locked out and have no access to your games.

You don't need a subscription to play your games. You need a subscription to play them in 4k. 1080p is free. The main advantage of Stadia applies to people who don't own capable gaming hardware. I think Stadia will be successful. Google has too much advertising power for it not to be.

"At 10$+ a month, a 6year console cycle ends up at 6years x 12months x 10$ = 720$."

If you had a console you'd be paying for PS+/Gold which would mitigate some of this. Online multiplayer on Stadia is free, no subscription required, and with the subscription you will get some free games (Destiny 2 Complete at launch) though we don't know how many and how often yet.

As for the 1080p limit, well Stadia has 8TF of power if I remember correctly, probably around equivelent to a GTX 1080, if you're running games at their maximum settings you probably won't get above 1080p@60fps in most titles anyway, so your choice will be between Ultra 1080p or Medium 4k. So 1080p might actually be the better option anyway, especially as it won't require as much bandwidth.

Lots of people mainly play single player games. PS+ and Gold give you free games, so they pretty much pay for themselves. Anybody that feels they need Gold or PS+ year round should buy a year's subscription for $40 around black friday. If anything the $40 ($3.33 per month) for a year's subscription is almost too good of a deal to pass up, when you realize that you are getting $5 to $15 worth of free games every month. 

The only reason I'm not subbed year round like this is that I already own almost everything that goes free on PS+ or Gold anyway. If the game has 79+ on Opencritic there's an 80% chance I own it. 

But anyway, the old "Let's factor in the cost of XBL/PS+" argument is tired, and outdated. The days where XBL cost $10 a month just to play online, with zero other benefits thrown in, are long behind us. 

Last edited by Cerebralbore101 - on 28 June 2019

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I seriously don't see the "free" 1080p streaming staying free. Not once Google sees that of the few that do use Stadia are going to just stick with the free model. Once they realize how much streaming is actually going to cost them, they'll put a price on it. It may only be $5, but any cost is going to turn off some. I also can see them jacking up the 4K price to $15. Google is not going into this business to take any losses or just make a small profit.

And there are plenty of gamers who will be turned off by having absolutely no access to your games if the internet goes down. Even with digital buyers, at least they know the game is there on their HDD and they can still play it without internet. People who actually buy Stadia games are going to get real pissed if there is a sudden loss of internet, either on their end or server side, and it drops them out of a game.