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It's a necessity that America take steps to be able to guard their technological dominance because for everything that get's manufactured in China, the state eventually funnels those tiny profit margins into developing their own independent core technology that's competitive with America's ...

America was only able to enjoy it's low prices for consumer goods for so long since the world kept tolerating their technological monopoly but now that there exists one potential superpower attempting to breakaway and to establish their own technological sovereignty, America's advantage in trade for the future may as well have come to an abrupt end ...

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People used to love to bash on companies that ship labor overseas for using slave labor basically and yet as soon as it affects them they are no longer humanitarians.

I've heard my whole life growing up how cheap labor is in China and other places and how horrible it is. Now we are celebrating it cause Trump is the one that puts his foot down?

Same with companies that produce in like Mexico. Trump raised tarrifs on stuff like that and the companies bitch and moan and some come home, or not. Either way prices go up. People hate Trump. Never is the company hated on for using basically slave labor. 



irstupid said:
People love to bash on companies that ship labor overseas for using slave labor basically and yet as soon as it affects them they are no longer humanitarians.

I've heard my whole life growing up how cheap labor is in China and other places and how horrible it is. Now we are celebrating it cause Trump is the one that puts his foot down?

No one is giving a China a pass for how they tend to treat workers. They are just dismissing tariffs as a way to combat it.



the-pi-guy said:
irstupid said:
People love to bash on companies that ship labor overseas for using slave labor basically and yet as soon as it affects them they are no longer humanitarians.

I've heard my whole life growing up how cheap labor is in China and other places and how horrible it is. Now we are celebrating it cause Trump is the one that puts his foot down?

No one is giving a China a pass for how they tend to treat workers. They are just dismissing tariffs as a way to combat it.

How do you fight that then?

Ban Chinese produced products completely?

Convince enough consumers to boycott products made in China?

Seems that raising tariffs enough so that the product costs what it would if it were made in America, so that American companies can compete is the most effective way. The U.S. can't do it alone though, China will just export more to other countries. Other developed countries need to also make a stand and do this. Only then will we all be able to convince China to start paying their workers good wages, at which point tariffs will be removed. 

I don't like raised prices any more than the next person, but video games are a small thing. What the one base price goes up on console. Games should be same, especially with how we are more digital than ever. I'm expecting to see a big hit though on all the board/card games I purchase though. They have been taking advantage of the cheap Chinese for a long time. 

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You do realize that if these tariffs go through, WE’RE the ones who are gonna take the bullet. Console prices are gonna skyrocket. So instead of PS5 and Scarlett launching at $400-$500, now they’ll launch at around $600+. And not just consoles, accessories and physical media is going to rise in price as well. So we’re looking at $80-100 for a full retail AAA game in the US. Just raising games to those prices would have led to smaller profit margins or small losses for 3rd party publishers and developers, but now that loss is multiplied by a slower and/or shrinking console market. So those small profits become small losses and those small losses become big losses. And if you think the major 3rd party publishers will have it bad, what do you think is going to happen to the smaller publishers and indie devs who are struggling to make their money back trying to sell their games? Some of them may even go out of business, which means hundreds of people will lose their jobs.

So the Big Three lose a sizable portion of their audience, which will also negatively impact their 1st party software sales and service subscriptions.

Major 3rd party developers have a smaller and slower audience to sell their games to as development costs get higher and higher, which could lead to more anti-consumer practices in the future similar to loot boxes just to squeeze the remaining audience dry and make their money back.

Smaller publishers and indie developers will now be staring closure and bankruptcy right in the face and their employees will have a one way ticket to the unemployment line.

And gamers get screwed in the rear because now we have to pay even more money (which is hard to come by for some of us) to keep supporting and enjoying a hobby.

Nobody wins in this scenario.

This is just a big fat L for the video game industry.



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PAOerfulone said:

You do realize that if these tariffs go through, WE’RE the ones who are gonna take the bullet. Console prices are gonna skyrocket. So instead of PS5 and Scarlett launching at $400-$500, now they’ll launch at around $600+. And not just consoles, accessories and physical media is going to rise in price as well. So we’re looking at $80-100 for a full retail AAA game in the US. Just raising games to those prices would have led to smaller profit margins or small losses for 3rd party publishers and developers, but now that loss is multiplied by a slower and/or shrinking console market. So those small profits become small losses and those small losses become big losses. And if you think the major 3rd party publishers will have it bad, what do you think is going to happen to the smaller publishers and indie devs who are struggling to make their money back trying to sell their games? Some of them may even go out of business, which means hundreds of people will lose their jobs.

So the Big Three lose a sizable portion of their audience, which will also negatively impact their 1st party software sales and service subscriptions.

Major 3rd party developers have a smaller and slower audience to sell their games to as development costs get higher and higher, which could lead to more anti-consumer practices in the future similar to loot boxes just to squeeze the remaining audience dry and make their money back.

Smaller publishers and indie developers will now be staring closure and bankruptcy right in the face and their employees will have a one way ticket to the unemployment line.

And gamers get screwed in the rear because now we have to pay even more money (which is hard to come by for some of us) to keep supporting and enjoying a hobby.

Nobody wins in this scenario.

This is just a big fat L for the video game industry.

Slave labor it is then. 

I'm sure the exact same arguments were made when people were arguing over seceding from the union and getting rid of black slavery. 

Btw, why would development costs get higher? How many games are developed in China? If anything, this will just make more and more games digital only versus raising prices by 20-40 a game. Just like how Switch games are lot of times digital if large, or download most the game due to publisher not wanting to fork out for a 26 or 32gb cart. 



The tl;dr version of the 7 page statement from the big 3 is this:

"Tariffs are bad.  Pls don't do."



I guess that "slave" labor thats being around for a couple of decades offends us now that its turned them into a leading global economy.

Last edited by Jpcc86 - on 27 June 2019

The trade war with China is probably the only thing in which I agree with the Trump administration.

There is no free trade with China, China still has very strong protectionist policies. Access to the Chinese market is very difficult, as a company you have to produce your goods in China to sell them there and often times you have to cooperate with a chinese company to gain market access. The Chinese state also owns 51% of all factories in the country which means every foreign company who produces in china gives the chinese state full control over their facilities, hand in hand with that goes Industrial espionage which the chinese are known for. Knowledge is the most important resource in today's information age so western countries who are especially dependent on knowledge have to do something about china's behavior.

So you see, trading with china is not fair at all. It's debatable if Trump uses the right measures but it's good that the US finally does something about it.