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Nautilus said:
LuccaCardoso1 said:

Why are you lying? What the hell

What he said is simply not the truth. What she said was exactly: "Why do you access a stream for the first time and already ask what the streamer uses for streaming?" Then she said those thing about the commenter's cock. It was obviously super rude, but she didn't mention the commenter's gender and neither she nor us have a way to even know if it was a guy.

I don't know why DonFerrari lied, but draw your own conclusions from that.

Wut?What are you rambling about?

DonFerrari is correct.The commenter voice is obviously male, so while she didnt explicitly said anything about him being male and all, the moment she says "I use your cock, in "the middle of" your ass", its obvious she assumes he is a male.And even if the guy is actually a woman, how does it makes it less worse?I mean, its still extremely offensive.

Man, there is no defending this racist and prejudiced woman.I know this goes against your idealistic view of life, but still...

"The commenter's voice"? She reads a comment, the commenter has no voice.

I'm not defending her, it was extremely offensive, but DonFerrari speaks Portuguese and deliberately lied in his transcription of what she said. You have every right to criticize her, but you have no right to criticize her with lies. That's all.



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o_O.Q said:
Nautilus said:

Wut?What are you rambling about?

DonFerrari is correct.The commenter voice is obviously male, so while she didnt explicitly said anything about him being male and all, the moment she says "I use your cock, in "the middle of" your ass", its obvious she assumes he is a male.And even if the guy is actually a woman, how does it makes it less worse?I mean, its still extremely offensive.

Man, there is no defending this racist and prejudiced woman.I know this goes against your idealistic view of life, but still...

"The commenter voice is obviously male, so while she didnt explicitly said anything about him being male and all, the moment she says "I use your cock, in "the middle of" your ass", its obvious she assumes he is a male."

he's argued with me before that a biological man is a woman if they declare themselves to be one and when questioned on how this makes no sense has said that i'm insincere

so i do see how for him a penis wouldn't be a differentiating factor

"Man, there is no defending this racist and prejudiced woman."

but she's a woman so that's enough for some people at times

If you go back to that thread you'll see that that's not what happened. Anyway, that discussion should stay in that other thread.

Her being a woman is obviously not a reason to automatically defend her. There's plenty of women I would acutely disagree with. And I don't see why you would call her racist, I don't think she's ever made a racist comment.



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Otter said:
donathos said:

"Contextual awareness" here means that you argue for double standards. But there is another way to approach moral reasoning, which is to hold individuals to the same ethical standard without respect to their gender, race, etc.

Of course, so charge children for crimes the same as we do adults. Don't distinguish between manslaughter and murder. It's not my fault you guys can't comprehend nuance, cause and effect, proportionality etc. I'm glad the social shift in the west is contrary to your logic and the logic of so many others here. There is no binary here & razors response could have been far more measured but they're tone deaf :)

There is a sound biological basis for treating children differently than adults, ethically, in some (but not all) cases: because children are not fully developed mentally. This is the same reason why we might make similar distinctions for those who are heavily mentally handicapped or low-functioning.

But I believe that a grown woman and a grown man, all else being equal, have the same general mental ability; and the same is true with someone perceived as black or white. While there are real differences in a woman or a man's brain chemistry, or in the blood chemistry between someone of African versus European origin, and so forth -- and these differences are significant in certain contexts -- they aren't sufficient to make two categories of "right and wrong," or to say that women or men, or blacks or whites, are somehow not fully accountable for their actions, in the way of a child or someone mentally handicapped. To say otherwise is, imho, itself sexist/racist.

You make a lot of (unwarranted) accusations as to how people who disagree with you don't use their brains, or "can't comprehend nuance," or etc., but to me it looks like maybe you're projecting a bit. There is nuance here that is seemingly lost on you, and important difference between categories like gender, race, age and intention (which speaks to the difference between manslaughter and murder, and is its own kettle of fish). I don't expect you to understand this all at once, because no one works that way, but do give it some more thought over time, and try not to be so insulting as you discuss these things with others. You may need their help to grow.



donathos said:

Otter said:

Of course, so charge children for crimes the same as we do adults. Don't distinguish between manslaughter and murder. It's not my fault you guys can't comprehend nuance, cause and effect, proportionality etc. I'm glad the social shift in the west is contrary to your logic and the logic of so many others here. There is no binary here & razors response could have been far more measured but they're tone deaf :)

There is a sound biological basis for treating children differently than adults, ethically, in some (but not all) cases: because children are not fully developed mentally. This is the same reason why we might make similar distinctions for those who are heavily mentally handicapped or low-functioning.

But I believe that a grown woman and a grown man, all else being equal, have the same general mental ability; and the same is true with someone perceived as black or white. While there are real differences in a woman or a man's brain chemistry, or in the blood chemistry between someone of African versus European origin, and so forth -- and these differences are significant in certain contexts -- they aren't sufficient to make two categories of "right and wrong," or to say that women or men, or blacks or whites, are somehow not fully accountable for their actions, in the way of a child or someone mentally handicapped. To say otherwise is, imho, itself sexist/racist.

You make a lot of (unwarranted) accusations as to how people who disagree with you don't use their brains, or "can't comprehend nuance," or etc., but to me it looks like maybe you're projecting a bit. There is nuance here that is seemingly lost on you, and important difference between categories like gender, race, age and intention (which speaks to the difference between manslaughter and murder, and is its own kettle of fish). I don't expect you to understand this all at once, because no one works that way, but do give it some more thought over time, and try not to be so insulting as you discuss these things with others. You may need their help to grow.

I make no unwarranted accusations. Harping on about double standards without care of cause & effect is nonsensical. Its like saying a business that only employees disabled people is discrimination and should be treated the same as a business which only employs white people. Disregarding gender, race etc in these discussions is frankly daft. Sorry if my tone rubs you the wrong way, I just have no patients to continually explain how the weight of actions are informed by social surroundings and context. Not on here anyway where people immediately run into "well if a man said this...", well if Woman were constantly sexually harrasing and hounding men we could maybe make a valid comparison. Have a nice day, I'm lovely in person.



LuccaCardoso1 said:
Nautilus said:

Wut?What are you rambling about?

DonFerrari is correct.The commenter voice is obviously male, so while she didnt explicitly said anything about him being male and all, the moment she says "I use your cock, in "the middle of" your ass", its obvious she assumes he is a male.And even if the guy is actually a woman, how does it makes it less worse?I mean, its still extremely offensive.

Man, there is no defending this racist and prejudiced woman.I know this goes against your idealistic view of life, but still...

"The commenter's voice"? She reads a comment, the commenter has no voice.

I'm not defending her, it was extremely offensive, but DonFerrari speaks Portuguese and deliberately lied in his transcription of what she said. You have every right to criticize her, but you have no right to criticize her with lies. That's all.

Unless someone talked over the video, the video has clearly a voice atrributed to it.Unless its an automated voice(Synthetic voice), then I stand corrected.

Even then, as I said, man or woman, its still extremely offensive.And if DonFerrrari made the same mistake as I did(assuming the synthetic voice is true) his comment is still as valid as it was before, so I dont get how he lied and we should disregard all what he said before.

And I mean, since you contested only this point, I assume you agree with the rest?That this Gabriela is garbage and got what she deserved?

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Otter said:
donathos said:

There is a sound biological basis for treating children differently than adults, ethically, in some (but not all) cases: because children are not fully developed mentally. This is the same reason why we might make similar distinctions for those who are heavily mentally handicapped or low-functioning.

But I believe that a grown woman and a grown man, all else being equal, have the same general mental ability; and the same is true with someone perceived as black or white. While there are real differences in a woman or a man's brain chemistry, or in the blood chemistry between someone of African versus European origin, and so forth -- and these differences are significant in certain contexts -- they aren't sufficient to make two categories of "right and wrong," or to say that women or men, or blacks or whites, are somehow not fully accountable for their actions, in the way of a child or someone mentally handicapped. To say otherwise is, imho, itself sexist/racist.

You make a lot of (unwarranted) accusations as to how people who disagree with you don't use their brains, or "can't comprehend nuance," or etc., but to me it looks like maybe you're projecting a bit. There is nuance here that is seemingly lost on you, and important difference between categories like gender, race, age and intention (which speaks to the difference between manslaughter and murder, and is its own kettle of fish). I don't expect you to understand this all at once, because no one works that way, but do give it some more thought over time, and try not to be so insulting as you discuss these things with others. You may need their help to grow.

I make no unwarranted accusations. Harping on about double standards without care of cause & effect is nonsensical. Its like saying a business that only employees disabled people is discrimination and should be treated the same as a business which only employs white people. Disregarding gender, race etc in these discussions is frankly daft. Sorry if my tone rubs you the wrong way, I just have no patients to continually explain how the weight of actions are informed by social surroundings and context. Not on here anyway where people immediately run into "well if a man said this...", well if Woman were constantly sexually harrasing and hounding men we could maybe make a valid comparison. Have a nice day, I'm lovely in person.

The bold part is what makes users here not agree with you.People are equal in the view of the law, and thus in a society.Which means that when someone screws up, wether its a man or a woman, they should be held responsible.I would be saying the same thing if a man said this or had done something similar.And while man and woman are harrassed in slightly different ways, both suffer through these kind of stuff in this line of work(being famous).And though Im not famous, I know this from experience.



o_O.Q said:
Nautilus said:

Wut?What are you rambling about?

DonFerrari is correct.The commenter voice is obviously male, so while she didnt explicitly said anything about him being male and all, the moment she says "I use your cock, in "the middle of" your ass", its obvious she assumes he is a male.And even if the guy is actually a woman, how does it makes it less worse?I mean, its still extremely offensive.

Man, there is no defending this racist and prejudiced woman.I know this goes against your idealistic view of life, but still...

"The commenter voice is obviously male, so while she didnt explicitly said anything about him being male and all, the moment she says "I use your cock, in "the middle of" your ass", its obvious she assumes he is a male."

he's argued with me before that a biological man is a woman if they declare themselves to be one and when questioned on how this makes no sense has said that i'm insincere

so i do see how for him a penis wouldn't be a differentiating factor

"Man, there is no defending this racist and prejudiced woman."

but she's a woman so that's enough for some people at times

Oh yeah!Havent though of that.Dammit, I was wrong all along!!!!

XD



Otter said:
donathos said:

There is a sound biological basis for treating children differently than adults, ethically, in some (but not all) cases: because children are not fully developed mentally. This is the same reason why we might make similar distinctions for those who are heavily mentally handicapped or low-functioning.

But I believe that a grown woman and a grown man, all else being equal, have the same general mental ability; and the same is true with someone perceived as black or white. While there are real differences in a woman or a man's brain chemistry, or in the blood chemistry between someone of African versus European origin, and so forth -- and these differences are significant in certain contexts -- they aren't sufficient to make two categories of "right and wrong," or to say that women or men, or blacks or whites, are somehow not fully accountable for their actions, in the way of a child or someone mentally handicapped. To say otherwise is, imho, itself sexist/racist.

You make a lot of (unwarranted) accusations as to how people who disagree with you don't use their brains, or "can't comprehend nuance," or etc., but to me it looks like maybe you're projecting a bit. There is nuance here that is seemingly lost on you, and important difference between categories like gender, race, age and intention (which speaks to the difference between manslaughter and murder, and is its own kettle of fish). I don't expect you to understand this all at once, because no one works that way, but do give it some more thought over time, and try not to be so insulting as you discuss these things with others. You may need their help to grow.

I make no unwarranted accusations. Harping on about double standards without care of cause & effect is nonsensical. Its like saying a business that only employees disabled people is discrimination and should be treated the same as a business which only employs white people. Disregarding gender, race etc in these discussions is frankly daft. Sorry if my tone rubs you the wrong way, I just have no patients to continually explain how the weight of actions are informed by social surroundings and context. Not on here anyway where people immediately run into "well if a man said this...", well if Woman were constantly sexually harrasing and hounding men we could maybe make a valid comparison. Have a nice day, I'm lovely in person.

Weren't you never good looking enough to be harrassed by a female?

Keep your opportunistic ideologies to yourself please and keep being a delusional sexist on the more extremist sites,bless the lovely you in person.



Otter said:
donathos said:

"Contextual awareness" here means that you argue for double standards. But there is another way to approach moral reasoning, which is to hold individuals to the same ethical standard without respect to their gender, race, etc.

Of course, so charge children for crimes the same as we do adults. Don't distinguish between manslaughter and murder. It's not my fault you guys can't comprehend nuance, cause and effect, proportionality etc. I'm glad the social shift in the west is contrary to your logic and the logic of so many others here. There is no binary here & razors response could have been far more measured but they're tone deaf :)

So basically you think that woman are as weaker/less inteligent/mature to male than child to adult? Or that killing someone with intent or not is the same distinction between male and female action as if one wouldn't be a rational choice?

LuccaCardoso1 said:
DonFerrari said:

Being brief.

Basically someone that was watching the streaming asked her what tools she used (meaning mic, headset, KB+M), and she for unknow reasons start bickering basically saying

"Why is is that whenever a woman is doing a stream, male jerk ask what she is using?", "Why don't you pick your little cock, roll it up and stuck on your ass".

That was one of the videos people reported to Razer and possibly supported their decision as it wasn't just she being upset about a moronic joke that she replied over and above, but a behavior she have repeated even when unprovoked.

Why are you lying? What the hell

COKTOE said:

Ahh, so that's the video you referenced initially. Thanks for that.

She seems like a delightful person. I hope she can bounce back from this, and maybe get a job as a night janitor at a shopping mall. And hey, it will give her ample opportunity to dwell on how all males are trash when she's cleaning the men's room floor with her pissmop.

What he said is simply not the truth. What she said was exactly: "Why do you access a stream for the first time and already ask what the streamer uses for streaming?" Then she said those thing about the commenter's cock. It was obviously super rude, but she didn't mention the commenter's gender and neither she nor us have a way to even know if it was a guy.

I don't know why DonFerrari lied, but draw your own conclusions from that.

I gave no transcipt, I summarized what happened.

And your OP would be 10x more lying than anything said by me. And the behavior shed had on both videos I posted is something a company should tolerate just because she is a woman?

Why would you say to a girl to roll her cock and stuck in the ass? Normally one would use the cunt or other vagina related terms to offend a woman. She offending a woman would be more acceptable?



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LuccaCardoso1 said:
o_O.Q said:

"The commenter voice is obviously male, so while she didnt explicitly said anything about him being male and all, the moment she says "I use your cock, in "the middle of" your ass", its obvious she assumes he is a male."

he's argued with me before that a biological man is a woman if they declare themselves to be one and when questioned on how this makes no sense has said that i'm insincere

so i do see how for him a penis wouldn't be a differentiating factor

"Man, there is no defending this racist and prejudiced woman."

but she's a woman so that's enough for some people at times

If you go back to that thread you'll see that that's not what happened. Anyway, that discussion should stay in that other thread.

Her being a woman is obviously not a reason to automatically defend her. There's plenty of women I would acutely disagree with. And I don't see why you would call her racist, I don't think she's ever made a racist comment.

"Her being a woman is obviously not a reason to automatically defend her."

so why are you defending her outside of her being a woman? i'm fairly certain that if this was a man calling a woman a bitch you wouldn't be defending him

"And I don't see why you would call her racist, I don't think she's ever made a racist comment."

can you quote where i've called her a racist?

"Anyway, that discussion should stay in that other thread." 

interesting that you'd say that considering you didn't extend that courtesy to me and misrepresented what i said